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    Re: Wisdom through the ages.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie View Post
    Knowledge = Positive energy...
    We need to embrace 'Not Knowing'.


    You are the known, and that's all you need to know --- the known do not know, for one very good reason.

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    Re: Wisdom through the ages.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie View Post


    The Ineffible Complexity...???

    Pre-biotic chemistry, and the adjacent possible...???

    Decision science, and the spiritual space of 'no god...'
    Lloyd. You are clever with words and the way you put them into context.
    However, your words are ''high sounding'' and i have no comprehension as to there meaning or what they are pointing to.
    I cannot read you.

    We already know the simple answers, but we're brought up to believe it must be more complicated than it is.
    Call it naive, but the notion that the answers could lie in simply choosing to be open to fully experience what is here in front of us
    and allow our own inner guidance to show us what is true and how to flow with that, that's all we need to do, to be honest.

    Don't be ashamed of ignorance, or of not knowing, you will automatically know what to do, what to say, and how to behave,
    when you are without resistance to this moment.When you are being totally open and honest.
    Everything will flow perfectly, loose ''ordinary automatic senses'' work as they should, controls act as resistance.

    Nature automatically follows the path of least resistance.




    "If you can't explain it simply- you don't understand it well enough. '' ~ Uncle Albert Einstein

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    Re: Wisdom through the ages.

    Perception never changes__Perspectives of perception is what changes...
    True. The view is ever the same, it's how we view the view that changes.

    If reality appears complex, with struggle being the norm, doesn't that suggest that the lens through which we see it might actually be causing the distortion?

    There is no struggle where there is clarity of pure perception seeing.

    ''Nothing exists except atoms and empty space; everything else is opinion''

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    Re: Wisdom through the ages.

    The Heart Sutra.

    Once, a great person, whose mind was opened by Satori, clearly experienced the truth that the body, the chattering mind, and, in fact everything and everyone is without any limitation and has no real self-identity. This truth was called "Emptiness" because, despite all appearances all things are empty of anything which really separates.

    The true nature of the body, for example is emptiness; so too is the nature of sensation, perception, thought and desire. The concept of "I" is like-wise characterised by emptiness, and as such is neither produced or destroyed; neither increases nor decreases. All things are part of a cycle which continues eternally.

    In the real world of Emptiness, which is empty of illusion, there are no bodies, no sensations, no perceptions, no thoughts, no desires, and no "I". There are no eyes, ears, nose, tongue; no colours, voices, fragrances, tastes, things to be touched, nor intentions; no world of sight, no experiences, no intuition. no ending of intuition; no death, no ending of death; no pain, no attachment, no peace of mind, no discipline. no knowing and no thought of acquisition. These things exist only in the world of illusion as concepts which support the false notion of separateness.

    One who searches for the truth and has experienced "Satori" has no attachment at all. having been freed by deep wisdom. Being without attachment, even to the concept of "I", he has no fear. Being without fear, he lets go of the chattering mind and enters into that sacred joy which, being not a part of the world of time, is eternal. From this experience the deepest wisdom - timeless, universal, full of awe, arises.

    It is from the truth and power of this sacred writing that the darkness of ignorance is destroyed. This teaching is the highest known. and there is none other to be compared with it in this world. It is the absolute truth without deception or falsehood. It gives rise to the deepest wisdom which dissolves all struggle and hardship.
    And so, it should be widely taught in order that people everywhere may have the opportunity to act upon it. In the oneness of knowledge and action is found the truth which is reality.

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    Re: Wisdom through the ages.



    ''The biggest mistake we could ever make in our lives is to think we work for anybody but ourselves.''

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    Re: Wisdom through the ages.

    Quote Originally Posted by melanie View Post
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    To my mind the criteria for Truth needs to shift from what is observable/measurable


    to 'what doesn't change'.
    Hi Mel;

    I thought the truth was according to Hereclitus and the I Ching is that everything changes.

    Best,

    Pat

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    Re: Wisdom through the ages.

    Quote Originally Posted by Profpat View Post
    Hi Mel;

    I thought the truth was according to Hereclitus and the I Ching is that everything changes.

    Best,

    Pat
    Thank you Pat ... Hi, and how are you today?

    Yes,your statement is correct, everything changes,everything is in a state of constant flux,
    but that which bear testimony of this flux, is changeless, never changing.

    There is no religion higher than Truth.....

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    Re: Wisdom through the ages.

    Quote Originally Posted by melanie View Post

    Everything changes,everything is in a state of constant flux,
    but that which bear testimony of this flux, is changeless, never changing.

    There is no religion higher than Truth.....
    Action and Awareness are quite capable of not interfering with one another.
    Action can continue unfettered while being impartially observed, while awareness also does not need a "doer" to function.
    The spell of identification with life leads us to think we must keep it afloat by sheer mental and emotional effort,
    and we also have been led to believe that awareness must somehow be created or enabled by some clever act of thought.
    The endless play of tension between the opposites is life itself, the dance of the viewer and his view, and it's transcendence is freedom.

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    Re: Wisdom through the ages.

    Nature automatically follows the path of least resistance.
    Originally posted by Melanie
    Would that be similar to describing same as 'The Path Of Optimum Flow'?

    Regards,

    LW
    So many paths to the same destination,
    would, but I could, experience them all...

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    Re: Wisdom through the ages.

    Quote Originally Posted by melanie View Post
    Action and Awareness are quite capable of not interfering with one another.
    Action can continue unfettered while being impartially observed, while awareness also does not need a "doer" to function.
    The spell of identification with life leads us to think we must keep it afloat by sheer mental and emotional effort,
    and we also have been led to believe that awareness must somehow be created or enabled by some clever act of thought.
    The endless play of tension between the opposites is life itself, the dance of the viewer and his view, and it's transcendence is freedom.
    You are so right about the ability of action and awareness being able to function independently of each other, even if I do not use these terms in quite the same manner as you intend. If one is comfortable with the action that needs attending, one can almost disassociate one's desire and need for control, and trust that the physical extension of self will perform as expected, while one's awareness is attending to other matters.

    Very crudely worded, yet I'm quite certain you will understand my meaning.
    So many paths to the same destination,
    would, but I could, experience them all...

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