Has Anyone Ever Seen God?

[Rybo]

I used to talk of a God many times on this forum, but now I don't like to use the concept, I've changed my vision, simply because the idea of a 'God' creates a deity where there isn't one. It implies duality. Duality is an illusion.
Although there appears to be an observer, it appears as images seen, however, the observer is no where to be found, so what does that say about the surround of which the observer observes?

Hi Micahael, I used the concept of God( es ) in conceptual example and you replied with a perhaps the most appropriate visual on planet Earth...ha ha that visual goes great with the conceptual scenario I laid out with human mind as observer, and God( es ) holding the finite universe in hand(s).

I gave human access to mind as the observer because that is the only way I know for there to be and observer of oour finite Universe and macro-infinite non-occupied space beyond.

I believe I've correctly associated maximal( all inclusive ) point-of-view, with human access to mind.

We may say that any particle of our finite physical Universe is some sort of and observer, but not that is more minimal viewpoint. imho.

Rybo

[melanie]

Hi Micahael, I used the concept of God( es ) in conceptual example and you replied with a perhaps the most appropriate visual on planet Earth...ha ha that visual goes great with the conceptual scenario I laid out with human mind as observer, and God( es ) holding the finite universe in hand(s).

I gave human access to mind as the observer because that is the only way I know for there to be and observer of oour finite Universe and macro-infinite non-occupied space beyond.

I believe I've correctly associated maximal( all inclusive ) point-of-view, with human access to mind.

We may say that any particle of our finite physical Universe is some sort of and observer, but not that is more minimal viewpoint. imho.

Rybo

Thanks for your post.

No observer has ever been seen.

[Rybo]

Thanks for your post.No observer has ever been seen.

Welcome Mel, however, your above depends on how one defines "observer".

Humans are physical observers of some of the physical parts of our finite physical Universe, and have access to metaphysical mind which conceives of all inclusive labels like God( es ) and the following plus many others not given here.

}{...infinite
}0{....finite
{O}....finite convex(?) membrane
}oo{....metaphysical observer

If you do not observe this message then you will not respond to it.

Anyway, thanks for your observations...Ha ha...

Rybo

[melanie]

Welcome Mel, however, your above depends on how one defines "observer".

All there is is seeing or perception... (observer)

No physical human ever saw - the physical human is the seen, the looked upon - anything seen itself cannot see
- ergo the seer is non physical.

A box cannot contain itself.

Humans discover truths which are already "out there" Within The Absolute.
These truths are no inventions of clever men - it does not matter who invented the mathematical structure of complex numbers, for example.
Such structures have been there since the beginning of time - an eternal truth - waiting to be uncovered...(Re-cognition)

[Rybo]

All there is is seeing or perception... (observer)No physical human ever saw - the physical human is the seen, the looked upon - anything seen itself cannot see
- ergo the seer is non physical.A box cannot contain itself. Humans discover truths which are already "out there" Within The Absolute.These truths are no inventions of clever men - it does not matter who invented the mathematical structure of complex numbers, for example.
Such structures have been there since the beginning of time - an eternal truth - waiting to be uncovered...(Re-cognition)

Hi Melanie, so glad you observed my message. Physical humans appear to have this ability to make physical and metaphysical observations of great metaphysical illusions that include simple ..PINCHES! and BANGS!.....

As for "beginning of time", well I believe the finite physical Universe is eternally existent, and what we humans define, is initial set of circumstances within that eternity of physical existence, even if it is ultimately an illusion.

I observe my message to begin here at this time and end here at this time. The set of circumstances surrounding that beginning time( marking a set of circumstances ) and ending time( marking a set of circumstances ), can be as many as we choose to include....

}{...infinite
}0{....finite
{O}....finite convex(?) membrane
}oo{....metaphysical observer

Rybo

[melanie]

Hi Melanie, so glad you observed my message. Physical humans appear to have this ability to make physical and metaphysical observations of great metaphysical illusions that include simple ..PINCHES! and BANGS!.....

As for "beginning of time", well I believe the finite physical Universe is eternally existent, and what we humans define, is initial set of circumstances within that eternity of physical existence, even if it is ultimately an illusion.

I observe my message to begin here at this time and end here at this time. The set of circumstances surrounding that beginning time( marking a set of circumstances ) and ending time( marking a set of circumstances ), can be as many as we choose to include....

}{...infinite
}0{....finite
{O}....finite convex(?) membrane
}oo{....metaphysical observer

Rybo

I agree with and understand everything you've said. Thanks.

[Rybo]

I agree with and understand everything you've said. Thanks.

Your welcome and yes, it is so simple even a caveman can grok it.....:--)

Rybo

[mkirkpatrick]

All there is is seeing or perception... (observer)

No physical human ever saw - the physical human is the seen, the looked upon - anything seen itself cannot see
- ergo the seer is non physical.

A box cannot contain itself.

Humans discover truths which are already "out there" Within The Absolute.
These truths are no inventions of clever men - it does not matter who invented the mathematical structure of complex numbers, for example.
Such structures have been there since the beginning of time - an eternal truth - waiting to be uncovered...(Re-cognition)

Thank you Melanie for this post for a minute I almost had to pinch myself thinking it was I that wrote that! Great post and thoughts expressed.

regards michael.