[mkirkpatrick]

Many thanks Ls for your input into this little ole thread,you say that prehaps the title of
the thread is contradictory,well yes I agree to a point,although Ls I also feel that we can
be aware of that "hidden animator" of life,maybe awareness differs from mindfullness??

I think that the west Ls sees things a little differently than the east,and these posts are
basically read by the west,I do although accept whatyou say,however one must be
ever mindful of basic difference.

In the future east and west will merge and then the "real" idea of lifefullness will dawn!


regards michael.

[mkirkpatrick]

Mestrius Plutarchus c-46-127AD,said quote,"An idea is a being incorporeal"unquote.
How I agree with this statement of fact,we as human beings are at the furthest outpost
of spirit,the final frontier,here we have dense matter,amimated by consciousness,and self
awareness,we are at the end of a continuous line,that links us to the Absolute in the realm
of total unity,through to the very base rhythm of the gross material plane.


As it said over the portals at the oracle of Adelphi "man know thyself",and when we can
know ourselves,we begin to see the links,and make the connections,by going within,we
trace our journey along that continuous line,until we arrive back home?


regards michael.

[dleviwing]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Mestrius Plutarchus c-46-127AD,said quote,"An idea is a being incorporeal"unquote. How I agree with this statement of fact.

If it is a statement of FACT Michael, then you should be able to present the evidence to support the statement. I think you should have said: “How I agree with this statement.” and leave out the word fact.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by dleviwing If it is a statement of FACT Michael, then you should be able to present the evidence to support the statement. I think you should have said: “How I agree with this statement.” and leave out the word fact.

To me personally it is a fact,however you have made a valid point,I stand
corrected.


regards michael.

[Infinite Consciousness]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Re: What is spirit,can we become mindful of it. - Today, 02:03 PM Mestrius Plutarchus c-46-127AD,said quote,"An idea is a being incorporeal"unquote. How I agree with this statement of fact,we as human beings are at the furthest outpost of spirit,the final frontier,here we have dense matter, amimated by consciousness,and self awareness,we are at the end of a continuous line,that links us to the Absolute in the realm of total unity, through to the very base rhythm of the gross material plane. As it said over the portals at the oracle of Adelphi "man know thyself",and when we can know ourselves,we begin to see the links,and make the connections,by going within,we trace our journey along that continuous line,until we arrive back home? regards michael.

Originally Posted by dleviwing If it is a statement of FACT Michael, then you should be able to present the evidence to support the statement. I think you should have said: “How I agree with this statement.” and leave out the word fact.

Evidence to establish the fact. There is no dense matter - what we call matter is waves of electro-magnetic energy. Matter is not in motion - motion is matter - when motion ceases there is no more matter and according to materialist doctrine no more mind and no more consciousness to experience or explore their so called solid matter.

According to materialists, "mind and consciousness are pure physical motions and interactions of matter." But because so called matter is in fact not a solid but rather waves of electro-magnetic energy consequently what we call matter is in fact motion.

Whereas there is no matter only motion and whereas mind and consciousness are the motions and interactions of waves of energy creating what the brain and senses decode as matter then obviously consciousness through mind and its thinking is creating the physical-material universe that we as the participator of quantum physics bring the universe into being by.

Whereas matter is a wave of electro-magnetic energy in motion - matter as a wave in motion cannot exist without the cohesive power inherent in it - that cohesive power is the consciousness manifesting out of the motion that it is generating. Matter is congealed energy. Energy as waves of motion cannot exist without the cohesive power of consciousness in it.


INCORPOREAL = not made of any material substance; spiritual. Thought as an electric recording of an idea is not the idea it records.

[dleviwing]

Sorry IC but you are only providing more opinions. Show the experimental data or a link to the tests that draw such conclusions.

BTW: If you wish to present a quote, you may highlight the text in the text box and then select the icon that looks like a cartoon balloon in the text box header. If you type it in, then be sure to use a closing bracket and also use the backslash on the end quote.

[mkirkpatrick]

Matter,energy,mind,and back of these is spirit,can we be mindful of that which we basically are?Mindful prehaps,understanding it no.The furthest one can push this concept
is to suggest that within spirit is the very life Itself!And what is,is unknowable absolutely!

We are it,we are the very embodiments of it,we are all life in motion,prehaps the clue to
understanding life lies with the understanding of motion?Which suggests that unexpressed
life is absolutely motionlessness!


regards michael.

[Infinite Consciousness]

Originally Posted by dleviwing Sorry IC but you are only providing more opinions. Show the experimental data or a link to the tests that draw such conclusions. BTW: If you wish to present a quote, you may highlight the text in the text box and then select the icon that looks like a cartoon balloon in the text box header. If you type it in, then be sure to use a closing bracket and also use the backslash on the end quote.

Dleviwing,
For your information what i am saying is not an opinion the truth of what i am saying is established by the following facts;

(A) Materialists believe and teach that "Mind and consciousness are pure physical motions and interactions of matter." Consequently without the motion of matter there is no mind and no consciousness - if there is no mind and no consciousness then obviously matter no longer exists - there is no matter without consciousness to experience it - without consciousness there is nothing to explore and therefore nothing to explain.

This fact establishes that each individual is creating the universe they see. Creation as such does not exist per se each of us is creating it individually and experiencing it individually. The entire world lives in the mind of man.

Wheras, materialists advocate the doctrine that matter is the fundamental reality of the universe and whereas there is no matter without motion - obviously matter is motion. Stop motion and there is no more matter. Do you need experimental data and tests to understand these obvious facts that prove themselves.

Whereas life i.e. consciousness is coming from the motion of matter - and there in no matter without motion - obviously consciousness is the motion or life creating the matter that it is manifesting through - consciousness is the cohesive power holding the motion together as quanta or discrete packets of energy - that our brain and senses decode as matter and that our consciousness is imprisoned in for having created it.

That is the inexorable "Law of Karma" or "As You Think / So You Become.

John Wheeler, a well known physicist at Princeton, wrote:

"May the universe in some strange sense be 'brought into being' by the
participation of those who participate ?... The vital act is the act of
participation. 'Participator' is the incontrovertible new concept given
by quantum mechanics. It strikes down the term 'observer' of
classical theory, the man who stands safely behind the thick glass
walls and watches what goes on without taking part. It can't be done,
quantum mechanics says.

dleviwing, you as well as all other materialists are "observers" behind the thick glass walls of ignorance watching what goes on without taking part.

As long as you are observers you are blind to the reality that you will experience when you become participators and experience that you bring the universe into being by your participation.

How can you ever know this unless and until you become "participators." You will remain on the outside waiting and looking for experimental data or tests that draw such conclusions which will never be your proof until you prove them for yourself.

Become "participators" uncover your own experimental data through tests and draw your own conclusions as "Participators." Stop being "observers."

[dleviwing]

IC;
If your thoughts create reality, then why are you not a wealthy individual enjoying his yacht somewhere in the Caribbean?

Send me some of the stuff you are smoking so I can join your reality.

It was also said: “Ignorance is bliss”. I find you to be a very blessed individual but, you will not someday inherit the Earth; however, your kind may someday distroy it.

[Infinite Consciousness]

It appears to me and everyone else that is not totally asleep that materialists are doing a very good job of raping and plundering the earth -causing all of humanities suffering - and that it is your kind that may some day destroy it.