[subversion]

Oh Shakespeare, are you listening?

What if, over the course of events that naturally made you who you were as a person, the government wanted to take your life? What if the course of events that defined who you were meant that you were a good person, interested in nothing more than salvation for humanity and the end of suffering and oppression, yet the government wanted to take your life away from you anyway? Would you be willing to fight for it? Would you be willing to die for it?

Such a question sounds contradictory, afterall, if you die for your life you'll be dead. However, there is an important meaning behind the concept, and it is one of principle. Any battle that leaves you dead seems to be one not worth choosing, but in principle, it is. Such that I love my life, I am willing to die for it.

Wo is he who holds his principles dear. If you think you will uphold your own values, be prepared to take on any government that destroys your values as your mortal enemy. Take it from someone who knows, and be prepared to die for you life.


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[Guille]

sub,

interesting point. I had thought of it, but I had never thought that it doesn't make sense. We can call it the Dying-For Elements Paradox.

I know something, thought, and it is that if Shakespeare had died soon enough, I wouldn't have to read Macbeth for English class!!

[michellemfry]

You can lay down your life, but that is no guarantee you will die, of course. Some entity has to actually put an end to your life physically! What killers know is that people are hard to kill. There is a potential barrier even unto death.

[Guille]

Originally Posted by michellemfry You can lay down your life, but that is no guarantee you will die, of course. Some entity has to actually put an end to your life physically! What killers know is that people are hard to kill. There is a potential barrier even unto death.

That makes me think of another thing: the actual fact that we don't experience our deaths impplies that we cannot know at all if we are dead or alive, or anything else.

[phaedrus]

i like that comment

[michellemfry]

I guess only the killer experiences your death, be it disease or human.

[baudrunner]

Would you lay down your life to save your brother?

I wouldn't.

For one thing, we are in this life alone in that it is a very personal journey. Since the whole of our being has the potential to encompass all of time and since once a pattern is set there is the potential for that pattern to be programmed so that it be repeated again and again I deem it advisable to stay alive at all costs, if it means killing to do so. No matter who wants you dead.

If someone kills you unfairly in this life you are obligated to seek vengeance in the next if your goal is to release yourself by choice through advancing your spiritual development from this cycle of life and death and rebirth.

Would you want a career of being a victim for eternity?

Defend yourself.

[WithoutMe]

Very reminiscent of Abraham sacrificing his son!!! u reading the works of Kierkegaard or what ??

Rgds,
wM.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by michellemfry You can lay down your life, but that is no guarantee you will die, of course. Some entity has to actually put an end to your life physically! What killers know is that people are hard to kill. There is a potential barrier even unto death.

You have made an interesting point
there Michelle,there are no guarantees in life only that it is wise to try and live it?


kind regards michael.

[harmonygirl]

we have to kill in order to live, that's part of the grand humour of this life! I don't agree with staying alive at any cost. I agree that it is a personal journey but this does not impact on whether you chose to make your death significant. I'm not sure I agree that you are obligated to seek vengence on your killer in the next life, perhaps you are obligated to forgive her, though.
Sub, your question is being played out in reality in Darfur, Sudan, in Haiti, in so many other places. Sadly, it's not too hypothetical.