Loooking for philosophers

[austintorn@aol.com]

post about your catholic grammar school days

Austin P. Torney, now 61, grew up in Illinois. He attended St. Bernadine’s Catholic Grammar School for eight years, reaching the end of his mercilessly indoctrinated religious faith sometime in fifth grade.

In first grade, which was partly in the Ascension Catholic school, he didn’t know quite what to make of the nun in her costume, calling her Mother Monkey, but he did happen to glimpse a girl’s leg when she sat down too quickly, but then promptly forgot about sexual inclinations until 6th grade, when he fell in love with his nun, Sister Theophilia. It was not that he was afraid to be impure for all these years; he just wasn’t ready, having been born in December. However, a deep yearning arose for Theophilia, but, alas, she and Father Kramer soon quit the Church and ran off together. Austin was shocked, not even realizing that he’d had a chance with her. If he’d known, he would have surely walked her home from school or asked her out. Theo was replaced by a lay teacher, Mrs. MacShane, whom he’d had in 4th grade, the most fun teacher ever. Unfortunately, she now rewarded communion-goers with popsicles, and was reprimanded and eventually sent packing.

Austin, playing a lot of baseball, had forgotten about the female sex once again, for, in seventh grade, the boys were separated from the girls. Midway through, though, he reached puberty, catching up to the rest of the boys. So, then, it was that when a girl was rarely seen, the boys would go all the more wild. Austin made sure that he attended a public high school, even though the nuns had become rather scarce by now.

Austin began writing for real around the age of forty, a respite from working as an Information Engineer in the field of Computer Science, doing programming, an art, as it turned out. He calls himself a humanist, or a nontheist, when necessary, and is one who enjoys and pursues the liberal arts, but ever utilizes science, for it pervades every discipline. This unification of the arts and science is referred to as the Third Culture.

[SteveA]

Think of particles and their associations. We observe that for a particle to form a connection with another particle, certain rules/laws need to be in place. The purpose for these rules/laws is the connection. The purpose of the connection is not for the rules! One could even argue that without a connection, there would be no need for any rules or laws in the first place! (I need to explore this idea further though...does anyone disagree/agree?)

Yes, if some set of experiences between two people follow the same rules, it's objective reality.

For the experiences that don't, that's the subjective realm (though it still plays by internal rules or you couldn't understand it, though it may still be experienceable even if it's not interpreted as comprehensible/understandable, so it at least has to maintain some coherency with perceptions to be experienceable, but if something didn't even "play by those rules", then it would probably be indistinguishable from being non-existant).

You also have shades of gray between some of these boundaries where something has not occured enough to be considered predictable - so it could have been experienced, potentially objectively with someone else, but it may not be sufficiently repeatable to avoid uncertainty or consider it coincidence etc.

Also notice that the objective reality shared with one person can be larger or smaller than that shared with someone else. So there's quite a lot of detail in what properties various "spaces" of experience possess, depending upon the character of the experiences. Ironically, the form that physical science pursues is one of the smallest and most restrictive (the thing(s) experienced by many people) and it expands from there to include more experiences but fewer common observers (the set of things within some local space) until you get to everything experienced by someone (subjective realm) and beyond that, all things experienced by noone and you have factors of perception and comprehension also - you may have experienced something that is not understood or you can also understand things you've never experienced, so there are parallel physical and mental spaces as well.

Different rules, different spaces.

[austintorn@aol.com]

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[SB_UK]

This unification of the arts and science is referred to as the Third Culture.

... ... from which begins reality more real.

Art leads us some place
- science takes note
- we conclude -
when the two collide,
the ability to generate our own stimulation with interactive recordings of sound and light.

~*~

Watching one of those ultra-new spangly TV screens recently (in some store) -
I realised that the quality of the image and not the story (whatever was showing) -
was holding my attention.

We will find that the high wages paid to actors, sportsmen ~etc~ derives from a fundamental lack in understanding of our own minds
- the causal relationship between an actor's face and box office draw -
results from the misplaced illusion created by the enjoyment of a movie
- that that enjoyment resulted from the actor
and not the rest.

And so we permit the actor and sportsman to earn ever greater amounts of money -
a misunderstanding leading to misplaced affection from which we condone (even encourage) these people to have an obscene amount of money.

Just an illusion.

Technology allows us all to be actors, movie directors and composers -
- is the great leveller

where mostly
money must die.

It's for the benefit of actors and musicians -
just as it's for the benefit of politicians, bankers and lawyers

- God's existence can be seen in the nature of human dealings -
- that we could not see how poorly we've been behaving is testament to the existence of a God -

- testament to the existence of a construct which may be called God -
the capacity to generate something from nothing from the perspective of a product of just this process (mind) -
results in the knowledge that there's a better place which we are heading -
- which does not require our architecture -

- which will arise if we follow the signs
- which we're driven to realise -

the construct of 'free will' is not of any global significance
- is simply a 'functionality' which we're striving to control -
when exerted
will lead us to some other place -> to some other task ->

- our motivation -
to get better

without motivation -
- why'd we bother getting out of bed in the morning?

The same basic motivation is shared by all things -
- represents the confusing conjunction between increasing the entropy (chaos I) and order (structure) (chaos II) -

energy -> drives evolution of structure (by geometry) -> towards increasing the entropy
- ironing out the local glitches (structure) in the space-time matrix.

One sentence summary
Imagine a rock being dropped into a still pool.

The patterns which we observe immediately after represent a series of structures which dissipate that initial infusion of energy
~that is~
energy -> drives evolution of structure (by geometry)
~dissipates the energy~
drives evolution of structure (by geometry) -> towards increasing the entropy.

~*~

The pool should be imagined as a matrix of Planck length standing waves (unsynchronized).
Imagine as a series of balls in a 2d matrix with a dot painted at the same central point on each -
- however where the dot is distributed 'seemingly' randomly upon the balls forming the matrix
- because after painting and placement into the matrix -
they began unsynchronized motion

Image

Balls painted and placed (at rest) into the matrix

- ball 1 ball 2 ball 3 ball 4 -
- (.....)(.....)(.....)(.....) -

Motion begun (seemingly random pattern adopted)
- (.....)(.....)(.....)(.....) -

(a regular distribution though maintained)
- (12345)(12345)(12345)(12345)-

Infusion of energy resulting in structure (synchrony between adjacent cells in the formerly unsynchronized matrix).

A matrix consisting of only unsynchronized cells
- represents a maximally
- (.....)(.....)(.....)(.....) -
->-
- (.....)(.....)(.....)(.....) -

entropy maximized

'entropic' space(-time matrix):

(a regular distribution (see below) though maintained)
- (12345)(12345)(12345)(12345)-

|_

- if we were to plot the number of balls at positions 1-5 we'd obtain a normal distribution (Lorentzian distribution)
- because the spheres are actually waves -
- the spheres are travelling at different 'speeds' at positions 1 -> 5
- at different 'speeds' at positions 1 -> 5
- reflecting the gradient of the tangent on the single wavelength
~
- one turn of the planck length standing wave (one turn of the sphere)
- results in -
- at any fixed point in the trajectory through the wavelength
- as a seemingly different 'speed' (vector motion).

A constantly changing tangent off the wavelength results in (in unsynchronized cells) of the space-time matrix -
- in synchrony (between adjacent cells) when energy is infused into this matrix.

More adjacent cells are sequestered into this synchronous structure as more energy is infused into the system.

Small amount of energy
(synchronized cells shown)

..........

->-

............
............
............
Larger amount of energy
(synchronized cells shown)

->-
...........
.............
...........
.................
.................
.................
.................

cf

tornado

(nerve impulse)

cf spiral
- the enduring nature of the spiral within structures of nature.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Watching one of those ultra-new spangly TV screens recently (in some store) -
I realised that the quality of the image and not the story (whatever was showing) -
was holding my attention.

The next big thing is full HD 3-D, which is made by 2 HD cameras separated by some distance. Wearing 3-D goggles synchronized directly by the TV grant the 3-D reality.

Any show will then become 'great'. However, in real life, we have the same, but at least we won't have to pay to go to the sports event for a life-like view.

[SB_UK]

Any show will then become 'great'. However, in real life, we have the same, but at least we won't have to pay to go to the sports event for a life-like view.

Meaning that if we were able to increase the quality of image and sound which our neural machinery could attain coherence in
- that we'd accomplish the same goal -

- though through evolutionary advancement and not through need to buy (and they co$t) a spanglier set.

This idea feeds neatly into the nature of technology contributing running paraller (behind) awareness of some aspect of our own functionality which is being conferred by evolutionary process.

All technological innovations have parallels (better) in nature's deliverables to man -
- wireless communication springs to mind.

However, in real life, we have the same, but at least we won't have to pay to go to the sports event for a life-like view.

Great point.

Evolution to autonomy entails that we're not meant to spend our lives dreaming (and not acquiring) that next higher resolution window in on reality
- far better to be born with it.

[seoitc]

Hi gil,
i would like to refer you to a website for question on " what is the meaning of our existence" . i would also suggest it to any other inquisitive mind / person to read this. this is a philosophical discourse. here is a link -

http://www.swami-krishnananda.org/self/self_pre.html

hold on to your ctitiques, i shall be starting a new blog. Coming soon - a blog for science and philosophy.

thanks,
yogi

gil yogi refers to swami which means philospher must visit his link. India