"the Symmetry Of Chaos"

[humanbydefault]

It's not a new concept at all to begin with... the only problem is : that no one has being able to PREDICT an "event" whose final conclusion stands in the future FROM NON-RELATED-CHAOTIC-UNCERTAIN "related reasons."

Let me give you an example of both cases: a predictable event and a non-predictable one.

1>>> If you see and feel that the earth surface is getting hot in summer, the skies are dark and the wind picks up is not difficult to predict rain in the horizon. Like this example you could find billions alike... It's called forcast or predictions. Those events I'm referring here have one thing in common: they are ruled by the mathematical law of probability.

2>>> The OTHER version of events are those blamed to chaos. Those are the part of life as well and we asigne to them a pattern of chance. Those I'd say belong to the empire of the "maybes and "perhaps."

My post will center the attention on this last group specifically.
If you have studied how we [humans] discovered the mathematical theory of relativity you would be drawn to the world of gambling. It's being demonstrated [a fact] that if you throw a dice X number of times you'll find an equal number of odd and even numbers. Then if you used two dices instead of just one you would also discover that the resulting curve [plotted graphic on the axis after repeated results] will show a shape that is similar to that of the sine wave just half of it.
That doesn't really help to actually "PREDICT" what results we will obtain since even numbers could range from [2,4,6,] and odd ones also from [1,3,5]. The same problem is found with the curve. The higher point in the curve of probabilities could belong to any sum of two numbers. The only thing which is certain is that we will obtain the same curve with the same shape no matter how manny times we try it.

This is not new for many of us... I think. However I have gone a step further from all this and I am in the verge to actually PREDICT an event based entirely [100%] out of CHAOS and UNCERTAINTY.

For personal reasons I'm not going to reveal details of the object used to prove my theory but I'm going to give you a tip so you could know what I'm talking about.
I've based my theory in certain "GROUNDS."
1] If you looked to the curve of probabilities you'll find a very revealing fact: It is perfectly symmetrical as seen from both angles. The curve actually represent a perfect image of half of itself.
*** This is a very important conclusion! *** If chaos hadn't have any chance to be predictable this phenomenon wouldn't be there. Instead of a nicely "sined" curve we should obtain a chaotic line being the results also chaotic.
As we know, every event in life, nature, society and even in the universe has been assumed to obey this law. Take the number of automobil accidents and the probabilities for that to happen and you'll see that probability theory will give you a very convincing reason to believe that it was about to happen. Soldiers in war games are predicted to die from accidents related to military excercises BASED ON PROBABILITY THEORY ALONE.
So far we could say: "It's about to happen..." "The chances are that it had to happen, you know..." THE QUESTION IS... WHEN and/or WHY!!!

Some people would say "It's destiny!" and we would riding in the shoulders of philosophy AGAIN! Other would take the shorter way: "It was God's will..." RIGHT...!
Let's stop right here and see the subject from another angle... physics!

2>>> Uncertainty principle. I have brought into this discussion a very recent and "dark" aspect of today's physics: "The Copenhage interpretation" and its direct implication with respect to the "making of the FUTURE."
I have figure out in my mind a very attractive analogy that I'll share with those reading me now:
Let's assume that events were not entirely disconnected one from another. Let's also assume that instead of a bunch of uncertain possible outcomes, an event that took place at a given moment was actually "a reality being forced to COLLAPSE." I know what you could be thinking by now: "The many worlds theory." This is different! What I'm trying to prove is that no matter the "timing" in the act of collapsing an event it would materialized the same way ANYWAY! The difference in my analysis is found in the fact that other events directly linked to this one specifically have to be also materialized.
Reality and its assumed chaotic nature is ruled by components that make part of itself. Events are "moving like waves" at a fast speed until something collapse them into what we consider to be a real event. My point is that those events DO MOVE in a parallel way [see path] with respect to others and they could be predictable.
But how could we PREDICT an event even knowing the state of affairs of related ones?
SIMPLE! The answer is: SYMMETRY!
Just as we saw in the mathematical curve of probabilities, the "configuration" of reality [the series of events assumed to be borne out of chaos] IS a well answer to that configuration based on SYMMETRY.
Of course it seems to be a wild idea and an unprovable one, but it isn't!
I'm working in the puzzle for a while and I can assure you, my friends, It could be DONE!
The obvious conclusion to a positive result would be amazing: "Destiny is real and it is real because it has no other way not to" It will imply that we could predict related-events even before they happen.
If I'm right, that wouldn't mean the end of the mathematical laws of probabilities... make no mistakes about it... It will mean that if you analyse related "systems" [systems assumed to be chaotic] and you co-related them in a three coordinate system you would be able to observe [as I have] that a new symmetry would rise from them!!!
What appears to be chaotic [when analysed individually] would appear to your eyes as a beautiful and perfect configuration built with perfect logic and common sense.
Finally if we know "the rules of the game" [the set of principles that need to be observed] and we use some visually abilities too, we could predict the uncertain future with entire exactitude.

I'm working on it!

HUMANBYDEFAULT

[mkirkpatrick]

I agree entirely with this view HBD,there is perfect symmetry in all events,it
is that we most often fail to see them,excellent thread starter.



kind regards michael.

[humanbydefault]

I appreciate your comment my friend.

I almost got it right! It was so perfect! I thought that I understood the rules of the game perfectly but I was wrong again! The key was SYMMETRY again!

I which I could show you this... perhaps one day!

Without getting into the bottom of my work I just want to explain to you what the problem was [although I don't believe you would understand it since you don't have the complete picture of it...]

My mistake was concerning symmetry as I said before. What amazed me was that when the pattern was repeated it changed the symmetrical pattern from one variable to the second one. I made different variables a single system of reference. Each variable is ruled by the math law of probablitiy. My theory is that if we confronted those seemingly related and disconnected "variables" into one system we could find a pattern arising across time. If I'm right we could actually PREDICT the future! This theory [if right] could serve to predict with a high exactitude rate from the ups and down of the stock market to the probabilistics of a plane accident!! Everything down to the exact day and figures!

I know don't tell me! I'm crazy right? Well, I'm a guy with an open mind [that's for sure] and I do not disregard that possibility either... But what I'va seen and continue observing to this day tells me otherwise.

I'll keep you informed of my progress since you've been the only one here to agree in this aspect with me. I assume that the rest of the members would be highly oppose to such idea and I do understand them.

If there is someone out-there with a remote feeling in pro or in con my views feel free to express them ASAP. I will take them with an open mind... I promise it!
I don't think I take myself seriously some times either... Anyway!

Don't keep it within!

HUMANBYDEFAULT

[humanbydefault]

IMAGINE THAT THE CURVE FOR THE MATHEMATICAL LAW OF PROBABILITY LOOKS LIKE THE WAY WE PLOTTED IT BECAUSE IT WAS CONCEIVE IN TWO DIMENSIONS!
THE POINTS ACTUALLY MOVE FROM US IN SPACE-TIME AND WE SEE THEM AS A LINE WHEN THEY WERE NOT.

ASSUMING THAT WE COULD MERGE RELATED EVENTS INTO A UNIFIED SYSTEM OF COORDINATES EVEN WITH THE OBSTACLE OF DIMENSIONALITY AGAINST US, I BELIEVE WE COULD PICK-UP A "PATTERN" THAT WOULD MAKE AN ENTIRELY PROBABILISTIC OUTCOME INTO AN EVIDENT-PREDICTABLE ONE!!

REALITY IN ONE PLANE OR DIMENSION MAY LOOK LIKE THIS:

PREDICTIBLE------------------------X-----------------------------CHAOS
Forcast-statistics maybe-perhaps random-uncertain

It another of my crazy creations...

HUMANBYDEFAULT

[humanbydefault]

I'll need a couple of weeks to see if I'm right or wrong. What I've got [there is what I've collected from facts] is undeaniably amazing and pretty convincing too. However all this time I've been afraid of a possibility and that is realy scaring for "my project."
what if one could decipher the pattern and the future, but something or "someone" would not allow such "sacred violation" to take place changing the outcome of an event into a different one? What if there is "something outthere" that would allow you to "play smart" only BY CHANCE and not by KNOWLEDGE of the future?
Does it make any sense to any of you?
Let's put it in English: Let's say that anyone could achieve a future objective without any certainty and previous knowledge of its final outcome. As if the final a perfect pattern I was talking about would form itself as "we go" but at the same time any previous and sensitive knowledge of it would suddenly make it to change the future alltogether...

If that fear is corroborated as fact, it could mean that destiny is a fact AS LONG AS we don't know the internal and secret fabric of its mechanics!

I hope it will be all but a false alarm. I am right on the "doorstep" of actually PROVING that an event could be predictible and there is nothing out there that could prevent me from doing it! I'm not afraid of challenging the universe, since everything [even this precious universe] will one day end and it is nothing anything or anyone could do to stop it...

I'm today a step closer to make my first prediction of the future. An event based 100% on uncertainty and chance... wish me luck (?) By the way... Would luck keep the same meaning after that?

Good luck to you too!

HUMANBYDEFAULT

[humanbydefault]

Is TIME TRAVEL feasible? ... You mean sitting in a chair that will take you back to the days you were a stupid kid and used to play with toy rockets? Wake up! Snap out of it for a second! I don't care what any professor could say or even promise about it... It's lidicrous and it doesn't deserve a penny as a fund raising object either!
Come on! This thread whether you have understand my intentions or not is precisely about TIME TRAVEL >>> Allow me to explain:
I am absolutely convinced that we will be able to PREDICT events that are about to happen in the future with 100% accuracy. I've had some preliminary success in doing exactly so although I can't say I've had finish my work yet.
Do I need FUNDS to conclude my work? Don't worry... If my conclusion are to be correct I will raise "my own funds" and more...!
I made $400.00 bucks [the last saturday night] with my first attempt to predict something and I keep the eye on the ball as we speak... But this is not science! -you could say.
Oh! But this is it! The mathematical principle [law] of probability came out of GAMBLING with a dice and you could learn plenty about it if you put your time to it.
I'm going to clarify to you with an example [I promise it's going to be FUN] while proving to you my point:
"Let's assume that you and I will be part of a very SERIOUS experiment. I required a few thousand plastic cups for it and one penny... That's all we'll going to need. I'll turn upside down each cup and I'll going to place a penny under one [out of the thousand cups]. During this operation you will be blindfolded with no access to my actions. Now I'll ask you to take the fold out of your eyes and pick the cup where the penny is suppossed to hide.
Since the cups were black [did I forget to tell you this?] You will have to rely on your instinct-luck-gutfeelings... It will be [literally] a MIRACLE if you actually come even closer to the penny. We all agree on that.
I believe that if we repeated that experiment time after time and the "picker" would be allowed to take notes of the cup's number that used to be chosen to hide the penny after each try... MIRACLES could happen!
I assume that if you are reading this particular post it is 110% possible that you have already read the ones on top too. I think that using the technique I am perfectioning as we speak we will be able to change the outcome of the experiment for good.
It could be like this: I'll be the "picker" this time and I'll give a piece of paper with a note before THE EXPERIMENT putting it in your pockets. You will hide the penny once againg using all your imaginative powers and when I free my eyes from the dark this is what I'm going to say:
Before me picking the cup where you have hidden the penny I'll ask you to check up the little number I wrote in the piece of paper you placed in your pocket TIME BEFORE you decided the final place or cup to hide your penny.
Your surprise couldn't be bigger when you discover that the number I picked coincide exactly with the cup number where the penny was hidden!!!
The first example, when you were able to pick and find one penny out of thousands hidding it using only your gut-fillings was a miracle, it was said to be pure luck and a coincidence out of millions since the ODDS are proportional to the number of cups and they followed THE LAW OF PROBABLITIES without a doubt. In my second case where I picked the cup hidding the penny I wasn't making miracles of any kind instead I was using a new order of numbers. I was taking advantage of an entirely new concept of the mathematics of the future. I was predicting not only the place where the penny was hidden but YOUR INTENTIONS and every single circumstancial pre-condition that could have anything with it even before the actual event took place... This is TIME TRAVEL! This is like having a little doorway or a window into the making of the future. You were authorized to see the "blueprints" of a present that is still on the design table without even being finished. The plan of a reality not shown to God for HIS final approuval... Can you see the importance of this? You could say that this secret "calculations" may be inspired by aliens trying to warning us about some future catastrophe or anyother fantastic thought but I assure you that a practical and feasible demonstration of this amazing way of "TIME TRAVEL" is not far any more.
I'm sorry if I bothered you with this long post! I was trying to convey my feelings along with some aspects of the theory.

humanbydefault

[Lloyd Gillespie]

It's not a new concept at all to begin with... the only problem is : that no one has being able to PREDICT an "event" whose final conclusion stands in the future FROM NON-RELATED-CHAOTIC-UNCERTAIN "related reasons."

1] If you looked to the curve of probabilities you'll find a very revealing fact: It is perfectly symmetrical as seen from both angles. The curve actually represent a perfect image of half of itself.
*** This is a very important conclusion! *** If chaos hadn't have any chance to be predictable this phenomenon wouldn't be there. Instead of a nicely "sined" curve we should obtain a chaotic line being the results also chaotic.
2>>> Uncertainty principle. I have brought into this discussion a very recent and "dark" aspect of today's physics: "The Copenhage interpretation" and its direct implication with respect to the "making of the FUTURE."
I have figure out in my mind a very attractive analogy that I'll share with those reading me now:
SIMPLE! The answer is: SYMMETRY!
If I'm right, that wouldn't mean the end of the mathematical laws of probabilities... make no mistakes about it... It will mean that if you analyse related "systems" [systems assumed to be chaotic] and you co-related them in a three coordinate system you would be able to observe [as I have] that a new symmetry would rise from them!!!
What appears to be chaotic [when analysed individually] would appear to your eyes as a beautiful and perfect configuration built with perfect logic and common sense.
Finally if we know "the rules of the game" [the set of principles that need to be observed] and we use some visually abilities too, we could predict the uncertain future with entire exactitude.

I'm working on it!

HUMANBYDEFAULT

HBD, this is becomming quite strange. You are talking about something that Guille and I started discussing a week or so ago, in a slightly different manner, but it's the same baby - conceptual intentionality, or Guille's analogous universalization. It's just the symmetry, synchronicity, or whatever, seems beyond belief to be showing up in so many places at onec. Last year I started conversations with a group of people about new ways of understanding and predicting future outcomes. I have been using my imagination in this way for over forty years. It's just that lately, I had a meeting of minds with a theoretical mathematician/philosopher to try and truly hone these skills. We realized we were both seeking the same answers. He steered me to others with similar ideas. These ideas just seem to be falling out of the woodwork everywhere. Just in the last few months alone, I've either found or met more than in my entire life, interested in the same area of probability logic and related ideas.

Of course, I have been studying logic for the last three years, steady. I'm telling you truthfully, I don't doubt you may more than be onto something. You know it's really funny that so much of it is showing up on this bb, because the original probability thinker of really professional status was Christiaan Huygens, one of the world's greatest mathematicians around early sixteen hundreds. As a matter of fact he was Leibniz's professor and Newton's mentor. NASA just recently landed a probe on Saturn's moon after a seven year journey, named after Huygens. Why I mention all this is the fact that this forum's goal of a TOE is so closely tied to this genius of first rate probability logic, and further he was also the originator of light wave mechanics and telescopes to view the rings of Saturn, in his own time, thus NASA choosing his name for the probe. Huygens' light wave mechanics is closely related to many of us posting on this forum.

It's just really strange that you should tie it all in with the same type of probability logic as Huygens worked on in his days. A further great notable of probability logic and abduction was America's own Charles Sanders Peirce, one of my favorites. But anyway, getting back to your post, I just wanted to let you know that both Guille and I have posted ideas that directly relate to your probability prediction possibilities. I am working feverishly on mine, going through my notes to recover the math over the last year, etc., and ready a post myself. I believe, some of us here, may be truly onto something. It just feels to strange not to be happening. There's just too much symmetry and sinchronicity showing up all at once...

Here's the post of Guille and I; Conceptual Intentionality...

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Originally Posted by <<<GUILLE>>>
Abstraction is what has taken philosophy to posmodernism (the end of abstractive philosophy). I have a theory about this, it's a bit complex. Kant was the resolution, the final point, the one that ended the discussion amongst philosophers during the 18th century. These were devided between rationalists (mostly French (Descartes leader), Italien (Spinoza leader), or German (Leibniz leader)) and the empiricists (British, who followed Berkeley, Locke, Hobbes and Hume).Then came Kant, who resolve dthe discussion by abstracting all conceptualization, defending that abstract would lead to the laws. It did, and there was idealism. Well, we can see a parallelism. 18th century-20th century. Because during the last century, the discussion between continental philosophy and analytic philosophy was in many ways parallel to the discussion amongst rationalists and empricists in the 18th cnetury. Well, the basis for the two points is basically this:
1. Hermeneutical Phenomenology, believe in a truth, A logic, a nature. Discuss about the methods and limitations of science and philosophy. Analytic philosophy.
2. Hermeneutical Existentialism, relativism and subjectivism (even nihilism), many truths, logic and rationality not usefull (or any argumentation). Discuss about the individual and the society, psicoanalysis and anthropology. Continental philiosophy.

Basically, I believe that we need another universalization tio solve this problem. Kant developed Abstractive Universalization (Abun). Well, I am developing something I call Analogous Universalization (Anun). Instead of conceptualizing by abstraction, it should and must be by analogy. This is a very complex idea, so I will give an example. Imagine you are a culturologist (if this profession exists at all) and you have encountered an entirelly new civilization. What methods should you use to understand it, deconstruct it? You might think of Kant's abstraction. Let's see an idea, an event, or anything n this new culture, abstract it so that it ends up under the same abstract concept as something from our culture. Then you can draw the law. Or you can remember Guille's post, and use analogy. See the evolution in their art, for example, and then the on in ours. Observe them and see the analogy. That is all you need, there ar eno rules no systematic programmed methodology of actions. Just analogy. It is better, because you can get rid of abstraction, you talk directly through the things themselves, just that you have still the same advantage that you got from abstraction, that you can make the laws.

What does everyone think?

Guille, you have made an excellent discovery about the problems involved in communications between different parties. I have been working in the same area and have called your analogy process, conceptual intentionality. It's basically the identical process, i.e., comparative analyses of same ideas in different people, places and things. In other words, we can discover true human values, and even an extended mathematics of, by such as inter-nation comparative analyses, in connection with the scientific axiology of notable professor Robert Hartman. Here's a post on another forum about the subject and a link to Hartman's ideas: >>Thanks for the insights. I think the area of most importance is to try and join science and religion, logic and intuition. Even though I may lean more toward science and you toward intuition, I think the far more important area is the union of the two. This must be accomplished to start to solve the Mid-East/West problem of severe religeous conflict, if the planet is to survive. As a final statement I'd like to add a response to another poster at space and motion. Here it is: This was in response to Knotty's post at: http://www.physics-philosophy-metaph...opic.php?t=411
Hi Knotty Nuf-Rumi, I enjoyed your post on Jung and its possible further connections and extensions to and of WSM. As far as I am concerned you are headed in the right direction, as I am also headed in this same direction of connecting Jungian Unconscious more to metaphysics, infinity and WSM. Just as a quick addition at this moment, more at a later date, I am looking at the entire connections between your thoughts, Geoff's and Jung's as the super-consciousness[the totality of finite and infinite facts and opinions of all minds - the abyss?] being the unconscious infinite space inter-connectedness of all these ideas. As a matter of fact I have recently been introduced to a philosophy professor of scientific axiology that may be of help to you also, as it is to my own work. I'm only in the early stages of putting my ideas all together with these many new connections and my older work, but see unbelievable possibilities of creating an entirely new mataphysics, as does the professional process philosopher who introduced me to Dr. Robert Hartman's work. I think it would be worth your time to check it out at: http://www.hartmaninstitute.org/html/MeasurementOfValue.htm

It's about using mathematics of infinity[formal second order math and logic] to prove the conceptual intentionality of infinite, intrinsic human values. It has been scientifically used since its creation in the seventies. It is sound sience, and can be interpreted beyond its present use with the addition of other fields of study, such as economics equilibrium theories, and physics'/economics' ergodicity theories, as my philosopher friend and I are now working on. It will be some time before I can comment further, but I already know it is very promising. I know it is one of the missing links between the joining of metaphysics and physics, i.e., Jung, infinite superconsciousness and WSM, also the finite and infinite worlds of other thought areas, as you mentioned, i.e., little and big. I have already realized Hartman's transfinite math corresponds easily with greater and lesser magnitudes, greatest and least magnitudes, which makes explanations much simpler. See what you think.>>

Regards,
Lloyd

[humanbydefault]

I see you guys have a broad knowledge [previous to be exact] about the history and theoretical nature of those metaphysical aspects directly involved in this subject. However I don't know what your intentions were when you referred to my thread as "strange" so I decided to add a couple of statements as an introduction of today's posting.
You could either believe me or not but I was entirely "disconnected" about your postings concerning this phenomenon [yours and Guille's] and I have never been in contact with any of those philosophical concepts about chaos and random parallelisms before which by the way I found pretty exciting.
I do not intend to claim anything more than what I have stated so far:
If I'am "lucky" I will PROVE [read demonstrate] with physical evidences that MY VIEWS about the methode to achieve the actual prediction of future events is legitimate and it works. I am not a mathematical wizard or anything closer to it, if fact my math is pretty POOR compared to many of you writting in this forum. My approach to this subject came from my own personal observations of some rare occurrances in some GAMBLING ACTIVITIES.
Do I believe that the final word on this could be and should be expressed and formulated in mathematical equations and axioms? YES! Will I be the guy that is going to find the way toward those mathematical tools? Absolutely out of the question!
One last word on this, if you may... We live in the internet Era. Everything WE express and publish in this forums and webpages are attached with a date and even down to the exact hour-min-sec instant when the post took place. In the old days of Newton or even as recently as the days of Bell when the telephone was invented there was a lot of claims about who actually made the world a better place... Not today my dear friends. I have been entirely honest in my posts here in this forum. When I started this thread I said that the concept of symmetry regarding chaotic events were neither new ones in physics nor in mathematics either.
I just wanted to add what I consider to be mine in all these discussions: the actual feasibility of determining future events based on "cheating faith."
I'll explain next and this is a part of today's posting:
When I was writing about predicting future events I was referring more to a sort of "BY-PASSING" intermediate ones that might have a direct or an indirect effect effect on the actual outcome of the event in question.
As in my analogy above, one could have exact and previous knowledge of the cup where the single penny will have to be hidden. Those thoughts and considerations discarded and taken seriously by the one hidding the penny were BY-PASSED by the act of analysis of the paralellism shown by related and independent events or actions.
I could supply you with a very primitive IMAGE of "my way" [you could read theoretical procedure] of how anyone could understand what I'm proposing... This is a very primitive and simplistic example again.
"Go to your memory bank and remember when you used to observe the movement of an electrical fan. I used to do that when I was a kid. I was attracted to the visual effect produced when I could see a slowing down in the [apparent] speed of the blades... They don't reduce their speed at all, but you have the impression that something like that happened and you could [if you pay great attention to it] to reach the point in which they stop and start moving at an accelerated rate toward the opposite direction.
The same phenomenon is also common with car's wheels. Some rims give the impression of slowing their momentum up to the point they stop and continue in oppsite direction. The phenomenon I am referring to here is fairly symmetric both in time and the rate of speed change in each event it repeats through time."
I believe that if we co-related a group of events that are connected somehow one another we might find a hidden pattern that will repeat JUST THE SAME WAY as it was explained above with the electrical fan and the car's rim.
As you could imagine we need a highly flexible and "weird" mathematics... something so complex to our simple abilities as "non-linear mathematics" for example. The actual complexity derived from the nature of non-linear changes experienced in each event [as they comply with the law of probability] must be synchronized with the rising of those PATTERNS almost instantaneously... I quite incredible task, believe me.
I am not doing that presently. I am dealing with the basics and I hope to find the evidences that such calculations are real and they will open a door into the true meannings of DESTINY.
Some idealists try to make a "particle" to fly into the future and hope to do the same with people... Well I have the same rights to have faith in my instincts too. For me the real and challenging TIME TRAVEL is a cognitive one. It is like playing Gods with things that are "scheduled" to happen in the future NO MATTER WHAT WE DO to either help them to occur or to prevent them from happening... If I find what I am looking since I was a kid when I spent hours in front of that fan looking the symmetrical changes of those blades and the rising of those patterns I feel that I have answered an old puzzle in my life... A life-long puzzle I guess...
Thank you for your comments.

HUMANBYDEFAULT

[Lloyd Gillespie]

I see you guys have a broad knowledge [previous to be exact] about the history and theoretical nature of those metaphysical aspects directly involved in this subject. However I don't know what your intentions were when you referred to my thread as "strange" so I decided to add a couple of statements as an introduction of today's posting.
HUMANBYDEFAULT

HBD, I wish you could just relax and quietly answer our posts with a little less flair for whatever... I really enjoy your ideas and knowledge, but I'd also just like to talk to you, as would others, once in a while. I've read all your introductory wave/particle articles and they are the same as my own ideas, in most every detail, with a few exceptions... You do have considerable company on this forum, so I wish you'd feel more comfortable, and more easily and seriously process your responses. I'm looking to join certain members ideas into one new thread, sometime in the future, and you are one of the chosen. I just wanted you to know, it's sometimes quite hard to see what you are really saying through all the flair...

As to the "strange" you mentioned above. It's just my life is strange to me, at this stage. That's all...

hope I haven't been too critical,
regards,
Lloyd

[humanbydefault]

I like you guys so don't get upset for nothing, ok?
I just found wierd the use of the word "strange" when referring to this subject coming from me.. that's all!
I hate when someone "implies" [diplomatically] that I made a "copycat" of other member's ideas... That's something I can't stand, but I see that you were referring to the coincidence of me bringing this thread too.
Thanks for considering some of my crazy ideas to take part in your project. Any help I could give... just say it! ok?
Did you know that I used to keep for years books about casino gambling along side with those of quantum mechanics? The reason is a little weird but I have been attracted to the understanding of chaos and randomness as well as the nature of matter the same way.
I've been impressed about the level of knowledge both you and guille have expressed about this particular subject. Sometimes I try to keep up with the numer of posting and threads posted by the members of the forum, but my time not always allows me to read every single one to be honest with you.
I'll try to link into the web pages that you supplied to me in your last comment.
I am relax even if you fell I'm not. Physics has the ability to intensify my emotions and to express myself in some strange ways, that's pretty unfortunate, but I see this a part of the "charm."
Don't worry about my last comment on your observation... It's part of the process of knowing who we are and how we react to some stimuli.
Count on my friendship and my sincerity once again.

hoping to hear from you again:

HUMANBYDEFAULT