acgra-graco philosophy

[AntonioLao]

As a philosophy of science, it is a debate about eternal time of nonvarying or fluctuating space and time, the here and now. It should, at the absolute minimum, be able to answer these questions: (1) will the universe exist forever, having no beginning and no end? (2) Do the values of entropy stay constants or fluctuate around zero but never vanish. This discourse also wants to understand all that there is about the edge between inner space and outer space, the edge of complexity between order and chaos as an edge of predictability. The question to the true nature of all quantum fields must also be elucidated. All the related physical disciplines could be found within quantum field theories: QED, QCD, QHD, etc.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Hi Antonio, the answer to question 1., depends on which parts of the universe you are referring to, the finite visible known, or and the much later decayed actual remaining absolute fundamental substance, to build the next fundamental finite universe. Question 2., depends on one's true knowledge and acceptance of a one thermodynamics system universe or a two thermodynamics system universe. I see the entire universe as a two thermodynamics system of the one entire system___The cold thermodynamics system___The hot thermodynamics system. These two play against and with each. The values of entropy fluctuate between the two systems. Cold thermodynamics is the fundamental thermodynamics system, producing the hot thermodynamics system. The edge between inner space and outer space, is the ever changing expansion of the hot inner space into the cold outer space. Upon absolute finite decay, the cold outer space, is in it's initial state of compression, as the vacuum has also decayed with all of finiteness' heat and motion. Cold compression motion then builds the next universe, from the hydrogolic fundamental substance, all of finiteness, has decay state changed into. A two system thermodynamics system can create heat from its infinitesimal cold motion frictions, of 0k one degree of freedom, to form the center of a new first star singularity, then bang___again. Lots of years, 10^274 appx.

Lloyd

[dleviwing]

Would you mind translating the Greek to English, Lloyd?

[mkirkpatrick]

As a philosophy of science, it is a debate about eternal time of nonvarying or fluctuating space and time, the here and now. It should, at the absolute minimum, be able to answer these questions: (1) will the universe exist forever, having no beginning and no end? (2) Do the values of entropy stay constants or fluctuate around zero but never vanish. This discourse also wants to understand all that there is about the edge between inner space and outer space, the edge of complexity between order and chaos as an edge of predictability. The question to the true nature of all quantum fields must also be elucidated. All the related physical disciplines could be found within quantum field theories: QED, QCD, QHD, etc.

Great thread Antonio,1)no,the universe is within a cyclic pulse,which ebbs,and flows.
2)No,it will all fade into obscurity at the completion of its cycle.Thats the nutshell reply,
the kernel is a little longer?



regards michael

[AntonioLao]

two play against and with each.

Will these two reached a state of tepidness?

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Will these two reached a state of tepidness?

Hi Antonio, the answer is no, never___cold thermodynamics is eternally, overwhelmingly, the greater fundamental force___infinitely...

Lloyd

[AntonioLao]

the answer is no

Then these become two catastrophic thermodynamic events which have no gradual transitions between states analogous to life-death events of mortal beings.

[mkirkpatrick]

Then these become two catastrophic thermodynamic events which have no gradual transitions between states analogous to life-death events of mortal beings.

That would present some localised problems?



regards michael.

[AntonioLao]

That would present some localised problems?

Since it's contagious it could just as easily spread globally. No one escape death not even the great Houdini. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Houdini

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Antonio, I do see where you may have been confused by my answer to the last post, but I was simply replying the the vastness of your question, not to the state temperature, we as humans, exist in, within the larger answer I gave. Sorry for the confusion...

Then these become two catastrophic thermodynamic events which have no gradual transitions between states analogous to life-death events of mortal beings.

No, not true at all Antonio. Cold thermodynamic FS is constantly transitioning/transmutating to hot thermodynamic events, and vice versa, from first fundamental motion, to first stars, and on down into the final decay into the cold thermodynamics, which hot thermodynamics evolved out of, by the simple frictions of first motions of the fundamental substance, on up. The absolute fundamental substance is what is truly transitioning/transmutating from first motion friction heat, first friction sound, first ticks, however you want it, all the way up to first fusion of fundamental substance, into the first finite mass and velocity star, then explosion into a vacuumized space quantumized history of quantum, classical and relative idea space, and in that order. This is all possible, and absolutely required, because the FS must have all state changing abilities, for any universe at all, to exist. One FS must be able to change All states, cold, heat, stationary, slow, fast, elemental structures whatever, in any and all directions, if all comes from one FS, which all science and religions seems to point to.

So, I see no catastrophic events, as you do. I see a smooth transitioning/transmuting universe, of the first order. The way I'd re-write the 2nd and 3rd laws of thermodynamics, without delving to deep into the subject in a formal fashion, is; "All fundamental universal motion, is thermodynamicly caused motion, constantly and entirely equilibriated, by the balances between, cold thermo-hydro-dynamics and hot thermo-hydro-dynamics of the absolute FS, transitioning/transmuting the FS, within it's self-cold and self-hot, thermal motions." It's simply a cold first, hot second, thermodynamic engine of the universe, powered by its self-thermal motions, and fed by its self-FS fuel, all the way in from infinity, constantly re-fueling the finite engine. The boundary between the two-stage thermodynamic system, is the boundary of no real boundary. The boundary/no boundary conditions, at light cone edge, are constantly changing distances. The boundary/no boundary conditions, at the infinitisimal finite actions, exist everywhere in finiteness, and most likely far out into infinity, beyond the finiteness light cone, by the actions of distant extra-cosmic CTHD space storms. It takes a lot of fuel to run the finite engine, so I say it's constantly being re-fueled by infinite/infinitesimal FS, yet finiteness is simply borrowing the fuel from the FS, and the fuel is simply cooling back into infinite FS. It's all a series of finite visable engines, and less visable, down to the infinitesimal level, finite and infinitely located engines, and all fueled by the self-FS motions, of its attendent infinite FS.

You can call it a trickster photon, if you want to, but the model functions scientifically true, all the way, as a fundamental two-stage thermodynamic system. There are no bumps in the smooth transitioning road, of cold to hot THD FS, and again back to cold, re-evolving back to hot and cooling the the warm state we live in...

Lloyd

p.s.
The universe is always eternally heating and cooling a FS...