If You Could Change The World, How & Why Would You?

[RascalPuff]

Thanks RP and MJA:

It looks like we all believe in equality. I know I do. Not sameness but equality. But here is a question.

"IF YOU COULD CHANGE THE WORLD WOULD YOU"

AND IF YES HOW AND WHY ?

I would leave everything alone and let revolution and evolution take its course.

Best regards:

Profpat

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A History of the Future:
out of the past and the present...
- K.B. Robertson

Lao Tzu's 'Butterfly Theory':
"The flapping of a single butterfly's wing today produces a tiny change in the state of the atmosphere. Over a period of time, what the atmosphere actually does diverges from what it would have done. So, in a month's time, a tornado that would have devastated the Indonesian coast doesn't happen. Or maybe one that wasn't going to happen, does."
(Ian Stewart, Does God Play Dice? The Mathematics of Chaos, pg. 141)

For this reason it is recently being proffered that long range weather prediction may be impossible.
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J. Alfred Prufrock presents and enlightened man who is in a quandary as he's seated in a full lotus. "Do I dare move. Do I dare change the universe?" Meanwhile, even by his very thoughts and physical inactions, his breathing and metabolism, he is effecting the universe, permanently. Making it different than it would be were it not for his sentient being.
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To make a longer story shorter, Lao Tzu's Butterfly theory and Prufrock's Eternal Question are - each in their own way - personal, individual - correct - realizations that every single event in the universe, no matter how small or seemingly insignificant, projects upon the universe and influences permanent changes and courses of events that would have unfolded differently had not the smallest of events occurred.

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Excellent post, Prof.
Gonna dedicate a thread to you and your question:
"If You Could Change The World, How & Why Would You?"

Best regards,
- RP

[Profpat]

Hi RP;

I was hoping you were going to give us your response to the question. I'm disappointed. Please share with us your thoughts if you like. But if its personal thats OK

Best to you;

Profpat

[austintorn@aol.com]

As me, I would try to influence the family and they the community as it traveled outwards to their schools and such. I couldn’t tolerate tormenting and the like or I would be contributing to the further expressions of it.

Same as if I were president. Good bye to troublemakers.

If I were in some key position, say to sabotage Hittler’s deuterium experiments, I would have done so.

But by and large we are not in positions of power or lucky circumstance, so I would write books about living a life and contribute to TOE forums and hope it all gets picked up on and travels around the world.

[Infinite Consciousness]

IN RESPONSE TO THE QUESTION,

Re: If You Could Change World, How & Why Would You ?


I would free humanity from its dependence on "Prana Energy" or Bioenergy i.e. the breathing process which is the bodies source of life and which imprisons us in the physical-material body.

This "prana energy" is negative energy (positive energy in expression which makes it negative) and it allows us to be controlled - manipulated - and bound - to the mind and its thinking - through the agency of chemicals - which the mind is producing and which keeps us in a chemical stupor - as to knowledge of our true self i.e. the souls energy - which is the true source of all energy - which is a separate entity called spirit within all humanity and -which is "Unchangeable Permanence."

That is how i would change this world and as to Why i would change it ? To end humanities suffering which is nothing more than our imprisonment in the matter of the physical-material body which causes us to experience its suffering - sorrows - decay and death - as an "effect" of being bound to the material body as the "cause."

[Graybeard]

Hmmmmm ..... Not sure that I agree with Rascal or Austin (Sorry IC we both must have posted together).

If all the butterflies simultaneously flapped their wings in unison would that have prevented (or caused), say, the Shoemaker-Levy comet to strike Jupiter?

No ... so there is a limit to chaos. At least, there is a limit to the effects of the smallest of events.

Austin ... How would you ban troublemakers ... At the most you could only ban 'Austin-defined-troublemakers' .. probably with catastrophic results.

If I was President of the world: well ... lets see.

First I would make the world flat ... this would ensure that at least half of the early European Explorers sailed to their deaths before discovering anything. The rest I will deal with shortly.

Next I would turn my attention to education!!

A complete and total ban on all Disney movies.
All Rocky movies 1 thru to 27 would be outlawed.
All copies of the Sound-Of-Music to be destroyed including the master tapes.
Forest Gump GONE!
Flags of all nations banned.
Martha, Doctor Phil, Oprah, and (god forgive me) the Christian Channel all ordered for immediate execution.

All taxes removed. Except one, Oxygen, you want it, you buy it!!

Gilligan's Island, Dad's Army, Red Dwarf, Black Adder compulsory learning on ALL School curriculums.
The DIYnetwork.com 'Workin on the Railroad' to be played (new episodes) every 2nd hour. Every other hour to play 'Remote controlled hobbies' from the same producer.

All Academy Awards to be returned (upon pain of death) and re-distributed to all involved in the making of 'Kelly's heroes', 'Judge Roy Bean - the hanging judge', 'The Tin Men', and 'Tremors'

Wow ... I can feel the absolute power corrupting me already .. it feels great.


cool bananas ... greg

PS: Keep this post goin ... I got heaps more decrees ... Your President!

[RascalPuff]

Hi RP;

I was hoping you were going to give us your response to the question. I'm disappointed. Please share with us your thoughts if you like. But if its personal thats OK

Best to you;

Profpat

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Gosh: Given the company we constitute together here there's already some steep competition in the departments of admixtured humor and solemnity.

I notice how Graybeard avoided calling himself omnipotent and restrained his powers to a presidential status. Given Greg's lack of resraint otherwise I'm surprised he didn't simply take the omnipotent station from which to unseat all impediments to endless festivity.

Well. If I were omnipotent I would give everyone reason to be happy and stay that way, without any comparative need to know unhappiness in order to indefinitely experience the former (I've not ever been fond of that popular half of the issued equation).

There are so many other (otherwise subordinate, auxiliary) things that may be appropriately said to the issued consideration (Never mind almost making nirvana in a corporeal state of being, such as in Thomas More's Utopia - we want it all, with Greg for President. HooRoo).

Corporeal, biological life does not live by food, clothing, medicine, shelter and love alone.
But uniform distribution of those elements in adequate quantities is a start.

Various degrees of struggle and suffering are said to go with the mortal turf, so, naturally, in Greg's administration, apparently all of that sort of stuff is out of here - and good riddance to it, I say (May we still watch re-runs of McHale's Navy, Mr. President?).

If I'm asking for a temporal Heaven here on earth then let it rip by all means. Who here in T.O.E. circles is really and roundly squared up as being realistic anyway?

(Hey Mr. Greg. Are you absolutely certain that a singularly swinging - up or down - arc of one butterfly wing does not influence events beyond the earths coordinates...? Just asking...)

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Moving right along....

There's a Dr. Peck who authored at least two books, A Road Less Traveled, and People of the Lie.
Everyone will have read and understood both of those books, just to be educated to how they don't have to worry about such things in an unimprovable world.

Then of course a completely comprehensive Theory of Everything would be common knowledge to everyone who would automatically understand that they'd never know everything, and we would all be reminded of how much to be grateful for by watching The Day The Earth Stood Still (remakes): on loop, on, say, a weekly basis (A new and improved revision per week).

The overpopulation problem would be resolved.
There'd be no global warming.
War and non mutual (non consensual) combat of all kinds - and all of the reasons for same - would be abolished.
All cultures will remain intact while appreciating all other cultures.
Everything would be so peachy that there's no need for the refuge of an anthropomorphically created supreme deity (beyond the fact that there is a universe of some kind and it proves there's always some Greater Shakes: somewheres).
The big picture would be a bunch of little independent pictures.
People would be much more respectful toward one another in mutual recognition of individual marvelousness.
And everyone would be free to do what they darned pleased as long as it doesn't impose on anyone else.

Soitinly there's a lot more. Then again, there's plenty of room on this thread, and though we've reflected only a miniscule percentage of a great potential we may proceeed on a roll here... (Sorta like a daisy chain?)

I haven't covered much of what needs to be addressed here, Prof. So it's on you to continue to inspire everyone on and off the net to keep the faith of benevolent and Holy atheism.

Natural disasters and unavoidable accidents are the only things I can't abolish.
The Prof and everyone he wishes the same for get whatever they want for Christmas and their birthday, as well as one editorial wish per year granted as long as it doesn't interfere with the sequence of unimprovement that we are responsible for doing our best to maintain.

No faux pax's or gaffes like:
'Here, let me help you, said the monkey, putting the fish in a tree'.

Ok?

'Ya gotta suffer to enjoy yerself' platforms are a no-no.

No misunderstandings of any kind allowed.


Boredom bereft of a time or place to dwell.
(No one able to afford being bored, unless they choose to be <yawn>...?)

With an agenda like that, am I qualified to move?
Dare I change the omniversal pantry?
Hope it's still okay to conventionally bake a favorite batch of cookies
with a preferred beverage?

If we lived in a (cliche resilient) perfect world, PC (for political correctness) would comfortably fall back to meaning Personal Computer and Partly Cloudy?

('Too late' will be an anachronism?)

'Only humanly being': will do nicely, thank you?

The Prof dropped a nickel in my jukebox
and got 50 cents - or a penny's - wortha music?

May the Presidential chair, rock, and the music of the spheres, roll on...

Say G'mornin', Gracie?

There's lots more raimants but then that's what threads are for?

Best regards,
- RP

[austintorn@aol.com]

As Presidents can do, so would Austin in hs own way. It wouldn't be so bad.

If I were higher up, and could rule like a God, I would give up all my powers except love—a very different god than the bible describes and churches preach.

[Profpat]

Bravo Austin you would have my vote for God but I think we already have one as you described. I like your prior post also; both doable and enjoyable. Save some time not just for books but also those wonderful videos you do.

RP, I knew yours would be interesting. Don't stop now.

IC, What if that suffering is part of those poor souls Karma, and they have to come to enlightenment slowly on their own?
Also your suggestion of stop breathing; well that sure will get me to an astral plane in a hurry.
Though you don't have to you might want to rethink your response.

Greg, HaHa thats good.

Peace to all,

Profat

P.S. RC it was more than 50c worth.

[Infinite Consciousness]

IC, What if that suffering is part of those poor souls Karma, and they have to come to enlightenment slowly on their own?

Also your suggestion of stop breathing; well that sure will get me to an astral plane in a hurry.

Though you don't have to you might want to rethink your response.

We only pay karma if we believe the illusion is real. If it is all illusion what are we paying karma for. Once we pass the illusion and know it for what it is there is no karma.

With the breathing process or prana energy you die. If there is immortal life within you would you not want to identify with it merge in it and rise above all suffering and would you not want to tell it to all humanity so that they to can escape from the needless suffering that they are causing themselves ?

Why might i want to rethink my response ? Because you do not understand it ? Is the truth or falseness of my response dependent on your understanding it ? Perhaps you should rethink your response ?

[Profpat]

IC;

I'm sorry that I irritated you, but who are you to say that suffering is needless. if it was't necessary it would not be present. Also I still don't understand NOT breathing, because if I quit I die. Maybe you have a theory as to how a person can quit breathing and still be alive, or maybe it has something to do with your religious beliefs. I don't know nor do I understand. I see however you are a compassionate man, and that is what is most important. So again I appologize, for this is what YOU would do if you could change the world. So forgive my ignorance and my butting into your dream.

Best to you'

Profpat