to see is to believe or to believe is to see?

[Profpat]

I agree with your concept of One, Michael but our reality demands 3 dimensions of L,W,H.

In my theory ( An Idea ) posted under the thread of the Theory of Everything. I tried to reconcile the various dimensions, starting at the beginning with the Dimensionless Point. Big Bang out comes radiation ( strings ) which are One dimensional entities. Strings close to form area ( quarks membranes )which are Two dimensional entities. 3 quarks superposed and interwoven are permanently confined and will enfold enclosing the 8 internal dimensions of space, color, sound etc. forming our Three dimensional entities of the proton / neutron.

Michael while all perhaps came from the One and may very will go back to the One, our reality in order for it to comprehensible demands attention to our 3 dimensional space.( or else I'm going to bump my head )

And AntonioLao, my theory does have 11 spatial dimensions, 8 internal which enfold to create our 3 outer dimensions. And then we have the 1 dimension of time.

Best to all,

Pat

[austintorn@aol.com]

Pretty good theory, Profpat. Their super tension of strings causes them to vibrate, I guess, but in what dimension do they vibrate?

This is what I found out from reading a whole book on string theory:

0. A string is a Plank-length extended substance that is made only of itself in this 10-dimensional universe (7 dimensions of which are tightly curled up). Everything, all mind and matter, is made of strings (or p-branes).

1. The different vibrational patterns of a fundamental string give rise to all of the different masses and force charges we know (some superpartners are too big to find yet ).

2. In 3 (or fewer) dimensions, two wrapped (around the curled-up dimensions) strings will likely collide, half of which will be sting/antistring annihilations which lessen the usual dimensional constriction, allowing 3 of the dimensions to continue to expand and become the normal (uncurled up) 3-D space that we reside in.

As for the One—the manufacturing plant of strings, it’s gone now—I don’t worry about what can’t be known since I can only live here—and I’d sure hate to go back to after billions of years of progress—it would be like living The Simple Life.

[mkirkpatrick]

I agree with your concept of One, Michael but our reality demands 3 dimensions of L,W,H.

In my theory ( An Idea ) posted under the thread of the Theory of Everything. I tried to reconcile the various dimensions, starting at the beginning with the Dimensionless Point. Big Bang out comes radiation ( strings ) which are One dimensional entities. Strings close to form area ( quarks membranes )which are Two dimensional entities. 3 quarks superposed and interwoven are permanently confined and will enfold enclosing the 8 internal dimensions of space, color, sound etc. forming our Three dimensional entities of the proton / neutron.

Michael while all perhaps came from the One and may very will go back to the One, our reality in order for it to comprehensible demands attention to our 3 dimensional space.( or else I'm going to bump my head )

And AntonioLao, my theory does have 11 spatial dimensions, 8 internal which enfold to create our 3 outer dimensions. And then we have the 1 dimension of time.

Best to all,

Pat

Yes Pat,I agree three outer dimensions do make things,your head is safe!While we are within the relative universe all these things apply,it is just that within the absolute,they do not!

regards michael.

[Profpat]

Thanks Austintorn;

If you haven't visited my thread, AN IDEA by Profpat under the Theory of Everything Forum, please do. I think you'll find it very interesting. You have to hit a link but I promise its worth it.

In it I actually have some of my original drawings ( nothing of your calibre Austin ) and at the end a picture of my most beautiful EurAsian grandson.

Back to your post.

Question before 0.
They vibrate in the dimensions of sight and sound. That is color or the vibrating spectrum and of sound the octave the vibrations making the sound. That is why I believe the color force or QCD rules the inner proton. I've listed other dimensions at my thread.

0. Yes I guess they are very tiny. The tiniest things in our Universe. And yet I heard some theories regarding quantum gravity that they could be as long as the Universe itself (OMG I'm back to Michaels One)
Very strange entities those strings.

Yes you are right string theory talks only about 7 extra dimensions not eight as in my theory. I have the seven areas, but you need an 8th to enfold it, or complete it. The 8th is the area outside of the Venn diagram. The negative space. You need the 8 areas to complete the octant of 3 dimensional space. In color its the Black the non color. In the octave its the repetative Do, as in Do Re Mi Fa So La Ti and that brings us back to Do.

I guess in my life time I may never know for sure because things are so small and close to immeasurable.

By the wayThe Forum is more colorful and poetic with your return Austintorn.

Best to all,

Pat

PS: The dimensions of sight and sound are legitimate dimensions according to the TWILIGHT ZONE, which is where I think I'm at most of the time.

[Profpat]

Michael;

I have to admit its tough for me to take reality as real when I believe all is illusion. OUCH! I bumped my head again.

Best to you,

Pat

[mkirkpatrick]

Michael;

I have to admit its tough for me to take reality as real when I believe all is illusion. OUCH! I bumped my head again.

Best to you,

Pat

It is all an illusion Pat,but as dear old Albert Einstein said "albeit a persistent one"!


warm regards michael.

[thinking]

although the quarks and the leptons do not have any spatial extension, they are the building blocks of matter. These cannot be "seen" but nonetheless they do have other measurable properties of mass, energy, intrinsic spin, electric moment, and magnetic moment.

quarks and leptons must have spatial extension. otherwise they simply could not exist . all energy and matter must have the space or room , inorder to exist in the first place

when 2 up-quarks combined with 1 down-quark and with 1 electron, the 1st hydrogen atom is formed. For the hydrogen atom, its spatial extension can be measured. This is the same thing as saying that something is created out of nothing.

no actually its not

So what is spatial extension? Is spatial extension the same as dimension? We seem capable of seeing 3D. But we can never see 2D or 1D or 0D or 4D or 11D. Yet many do believe that these other realities exist.

spatial extension is the room required for a thing to exist in the first place.

is it the same as a dimension? NO

0D , 1D , 2D , 4D and 11D are purely mathematical concepts only