[RascalPuff]

An ineradicable record of every past universal event?

Everything visually perceived is an extension of where it originates. Every seeing experience occurs as a result of quantifications of whatever is seen, traveling across space to make contact with the sensory facility of the eye. The incoming light energy is literally an extension of where it came from. Whether we visually see things or not, all physical entities are emitting EM energy at all times. All physical matter in the universe is absorbing and emitting incoming and outgoing energy in the currency of Planck’s quantum h constant.


If these exchanges of energy were back tracked indefinitely, the record of events that occurred in the past is available to whatever facility is able to carry out the - perhaps endless - back tracking in a real space and time of the past which is permanently recorded in past space-time.

That’s the physical premise this concept of every event being permanently recorded, is based on. The philosophical and theological implications are that there exists a permanent, quasi holographic record in three and more dimensions, of every event that has ever occurred, and that such record is permanently manifest - at any given moment - in past space-time.

(In accordance with the proposed scenario & outline, the future is correspondingly unfathomable because it resides where events have yet to unfold.)
The theological implications include that this is how ‘God sees, hears and knows all’, having access to all past portions of the ongoing continuum of events in the entire history of all universal events.

Several people I’ve talked with about this, recommended that I post it in a science or philosophy forum and see what the forumites have to say about it. What do you think? (In this scenario, what you think may be permanently projected on the universe also, along with all of your physically manifest actions..)
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Theological Implications?In the course of conversations concerning the above issue, notable interpretations emerge in a theological context as much or more as in the scientific or philosophical. Some of those introduced to this consideration show an apprehension regarding how those who’ve escaped justice in their mortal lives may be brought to account and punished in any ‘hereafter’ that mortals may pass on to.

For this reason, any proposed ‘passing to the other side’ is rejected by some, out of fear that they will be revealed for serious trespasses not previously revealed. That is to say, these particular kinds of people, don’t dare believe in any kind of day of reckoning, as it were... This is not at all to say that all atheists or agnostics are particularly guilty, but only to review that some of them certainly are.

Allowing for the sake of discussion, a scenario such as that described, where all souls continue as individuals in ‘the hereafter’, and everyone there represents or is aligned with a Godhead that knows every action and thought of all mortal people in their temporal lives - this record does not so much contemplate any punishment,, per se, that may ‘catch up’ with previously fugitive mortal offenders.

A theological concept of ‘heaven and hell’ in such a context might not so much entail a belated punishment so much as what would be the revelation of all the right and wrong behaviors that each person in mortality was responsible for and which baggage they carry with them as a soul in the hereafter.

Everyone is a sinner to some degree, whereas, some of us are more and less sinners than others. Some of us redeemed what mortal sins we committed, some of us were appropriately called to account for our mortal sins, while living as mortals - so you go to the hereafter with your major sins already having been aired out and resolved.
Relatively minor sins are not a source of much concern here, since everyone is guilty of a lot of lesser sinning, and the immortal audience to those kinds of trespasses is accustomed to and generally disregards ‘breadcrumb sins’.

Predominantly honorable, self redeemed baggage is - more or less - heaven. Predominantly dishonorable, unredeemed baggage is hell.

What would be a source of serious concern is mortal trespassers such as those guilty of capital or particularly heinous crimes, who ‘got away with it’ in the mortal realm.

‘Punishment’ in such a context might simply mean that in the hereafter, everyone knows everyone else’s mortal ‘movie’ and no one is fooling anyone about anything, anymore.
One interpretation of this mortal to hereafter cycle is that, since the wrongdoings of people who escaped corporeal justice are known to all other souls in the hereafter, no further injustices or deceptions can occur, and the soul arriving in the hereafter finds itself in a place where they are either more or less comfortable with what ‘catches up with them’, and are correspondingly more or less able to bear their exposed responsibilities.
The serious offenders may be ‘punished’ only in the sense that they are inescapably found out for what they were responsible - and not previously accounted - for, in the mortal realm.

Buddhist Science?Some contemplations of this hypothetical plot lead to a quasi Buddhist wheel of karma, where the unredeemed soul in the hereafter has the choice of existing in that realm, without any punishment save that of no longer being able to conceal their former trespasses, or, to rejoin with mortality on the ‘wheel of karma’ and ‘make a better, more improved, less sinful movie (personal history)’, which allows them to be more comfortable when they pass on to the realm of immortality.

There are other theological and/or philosophical connotations to the proposed congregation of all souls into a Godhead (atonement - at-one-ment) that knows - but is not necessarily responsible for - every minor and major event in the universe, in and out of the anthropomorphic realm.

Incidentally, there are more living people - mortal coils - on the planet in the present, today, here and now, than have ever accumulatively occupied this earthly realm in all of past history. Hence, per capita, there is probably more ‘good and bad’ being done in the present than ever before in the history of human kind. Unfortunately, it appears that unredeemed wrongdoing - until further notice - is, by far, the dominant paradigm (That is to say, in the mortal realm, evil apparently maintains a high rate of success and temporal reward - Re. PEOPLE OF THE LIE, and, ON A ROAD LESS TRAVELED, by Dr. Peck).

Best regards,
- RP

[sillysally]

This is a really neat idea. But I have some questions. What about a person that has a mental disability and commit some of the worst crimes against humanity? Can they be held accountable? Or what if it was a part of a persons culture to commit a crime such as capital punishment, that person putting the other to death feels like they are doing society a favor. There are only 2 countries in this world that I am aware that there is no death sentence, Israel and Macedonia. In the US, would the judge or whoever it is that passes that law that makes it ok to kill criminals, or the people that voted that person in office, guilty as well? I know you say that there are less sin crimes but I see a lot of people guilty by association, voters for one. If something like what you say is a possibility, I don't think that sins are unequal, I think the only way to judge that would be to weigh the persons heart and to know if they are really repented. That wouldn't be recorded outside of the persons feelings most time.

I think for this to be true, the reigns need to be tighter and all sin to be weighed equally. For anyone to say lying is a lesser sin than killing is only trying to justify, too many people are going to make their own sin less than equal to other sins. Do you see what I mean? We can't say this is ok but that isn't ok, so it's good to have an outside, non biased view such as the all seeing God thing.

[purveyor of knowledge]

Really enjoyed your post Rascal Puff and I would like to offer my thinking.

It does indeed appear to be entirely true, that all of the light that has ever been emitted is still reverberating throughout the universe. In other words, all past events are permanently recorded in the stone of light. This goes for emotions as well because every thought or emotion one has creates an electromagnetic imprint which is also recorded in the stone of light.

In Graybeard's thread "The Cosmic Horizon" I posted an idea which uses a system of fast moving mirrors to artificially stretch space and allow you to see all the invents which are recorded in the stone of light. You might find this interesting. I believe with such a device it will be entirely possible to see all events that have ever transpired since it all is recorded. Imagine the possibilities! We would be able to see the dinosaurs and uncover the full story about human history.

And of course there are moral implications as well. Nobody will be able to hide from any actions they have done. How will this effect prosecution? Do two wrongs make a right?

I agree with SillySally that in many ways we are all guilty of humanity in general. If somebody kills another, the responsibility lies with that individual, but also with all other invidivuals who continue to allow society to exist in such a manner. We are all responsible for what goes on in our society and so I believe in many ways we are to be held accountable not only for our sins but for the sins of our brothers and sisters. Government is a problem really where people are not acting in unison and this is the origin of crime/sin. When everybody upholds there responsibility to render the unity of mankind complete then we will all work in unison. Only then will we be shameless of mankind as a whole.

With or without the parascope of time, I am sure the attainment of immortality will allow us all to know exactly what ever has been done just as you say RP. A movie, if you will, which is also how I have thought of it. A friend of mine I believed called it the cinema gene. Interesting.

[RascalPuff]

Thank you, Sally and PoK:
Please keep in mind that with regard to prosecution or punishment, in the realm I allude to, the justice may be in uncovering what was previously and successfully sequestered.

Although all of us to one degree or other are - however remotely - accessory participants in the dynamics of society at large and its influence on particularly culpable individuals, certainly some people are a lot more responsible for their actions than the contingency of social influence which leads them to grievously trespass.

Bear in mind that, for example, 'the Charles Manson Family' repeatedly emphasized that 'society made them do it'. Though there is some verity in this argument, I think you will agree that, as other examples, the actions of offenders such as Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacey, are not to be attributed to the dynamics of society or the behavior - or existence - of their victims.

A line need be drawn separating the assailants from the victims, lest we fall into a pattern of shoulder shrugging indecision and what amounts to an apologist posturing relative to what really is evil. It may be 'politically incorrect' to be 'judgemental', but there are times when it is not only legally but morally necessary.

Again, in the post mortal realm I speak of, one of the qualities that othewise conscienceless people (souls) would be endowed with is that of a conscience, and that serves as a built in restraint and deterrent from rationalizing a 'no fault' stature.

There are gradations of guilt and innocence, and, does it not behoove the publlic - for its own sake and safety - to discern the degrees of difference? 'The public' has an obligation to know how, where and when to protect itself - this requires 'being judgemental'. Knowing and identifying right from wrong and especially degrees of it... The alternative is to find all of society guilty and let criminal anarchy prevail over an impotent culture.

Does not serious crime without consequence constitute incentive to beget more - and increasingly grievous - crime?

Your cautionarys about judgementality are duely noted, however, and certainly there is wisdom in them. May what punishment there may be, fit the crime.

In the given scenario of an immortal hereafter, the 'punishment' would simply be the installation of a sense of remorse and constructive repentence in the former wrongdoers.

Best regards,
- RP

[purveyor of knowledge]

Originally Posted by RascalPuff Thank you, Sally and PoK: Please keep in mind that with regard to prosecution or punishment, in the realm I allude to, the justice may be in uncovering what was previously and successfully sequestered.

Thank you RascalPuff. I too believe this kind of responsibility exists.

Originally Posted by RascalPuff Although all of us to one degree or other are - however remotely - accessory participants in the dynamics of society at large and its influence on particularly culpable individuals, certainly some people are a lot more responsible for their actions than the contingency of social influence which leads them to grievously trespass.

I believe we are all not remote participants, but very active participants, and it is specifically us that determines the state of affairs on this planet. Every single human being is responsible for everything in my opinion. This doesn't mean that we are relieved of responsibility however, just the opposite is true.

Originally Posted by RascalPuff Bear in mind that, for example, 'the Charles Manson Family' repeatedly emphasized that 'society made them do it'. Though there is some verity in this argument, I think you will agree that, as other examples, the actions of offenders such as Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacey, are not to be attributed to the dynamics of society or the behavior - or existence - of their victims.

In my opinion incidences like Charles Manson, Jonestown, Cho, The School Shootings, etc. all of them are meant to serve a purpose, as an alarm. However terrible these incidents are they serve a real purpose. And that is to call our attention to the fact that disharmony exists in our society today, and we have to do something about it. These event will continue to occur until mankind, through something like the toe, realizes his connection to eachother and to the world and his responsibility for everything that goes on.

Originally Posted by RascalPuff A line need be drawn separating the assailants from the victims, lest we fall into a pattern of shoulder shrugging indecision and what amounts to an apologist posturing relative to what really is evil. It may be 'politically incorrect' to be 'judgemental', but there are times when it is not only legally but morally necessary.

In my point of view there are no victims. All of us are responsible for everything that takes place. For example, if I believed in victims I would have to believe that I was, incidentally, a victim of physical brutality and robbery perpetrated by those trusted with the role of authority, so-called keepers of the peace. But I do not consider myself a victim, but rather as someone who has potential to change everything including the state of affairs which troubles me.

Originally Posted by RascalPuff There are gradations of guilt and innocence, and, does it not behoove the publlic - for its own sake and safety - to discern the degrees of difference? 'The public' has an obligation to know how, where and when to protect itself - this requires 'being judgemental'. Knowing and identifying right from wrong and especially degrees of it... The alternative is to find all of society guilty and let criminal anarchy prevail over an impotent culture.

My opinion is best quoted by the lyrics from the song Unity, by Operation Ivy. "We are all guilty, we are all the same." The solution is to realize we are all guilty for the situation on planet earth and that we all have to do something about it as one.

Originally Posted by RascalPuff Does not serious crime without consequence constitute incentive to beget more - and increasingly grievous - crime? Your cautionarys about judgementality are duely noted, however, and certainly there is wisdom in them. May what punishment there may be, fit the crime.

Your words are wise and well written RascalPuff. But should we believe in punishment, or reconciliation, and forgiveness?

Originally Posted by RascalPuff In the given scenario of an immortal hereafter, the 'punishment' would simply be the installation of a sense of remorse and constructive repentence in the former wrongdoers.

now this kind of "punishment" I believe in, although I don't think of it as punishment, so much as reconciliation and ultimate forgiveness

cheers,
-pok.

[RascalPuff]

Dear PoK:

What are you thoughts on the song lyric:

"There ain't no good guys! There ain't no bad guys!
There's only you and me! And, we just disagree!"

Best regards,
- RP

[purveyor of knowledge]

I never disagree with anyone, and that's my only disagreement. Sorry I said anything.

[sillysally]

Originally Posted by purveyor of knowledge I never disagree with anyone, and that's my only disagreement. Sorry I said anything.

Don't you hate that? I know what you mean but it's hard to describe. It's not even worth arguing.

[purveyor of knowledge]

Originally Posted by RascalPuff Dear PoK: What are you thoughts on the song lyric: "There ain't no good guys! There ain't no bad guys! There's only you and me! And, we just disagree!" Best regards, - RP

Hey RascalPuff, how's it going? I just noticed you asked for my thoughts so I'll share them in humility.

I believe there ain't no bad guys. I believe we are all good guys. I believe we shall all agree on the unified field of everything for it is all, that is shared in common. We are all living in the same life. I believe we all agree everything is like one thing divided by nothing. I believe it is our idea.

I also agree or at least think that there is a Record of All Past Universal Events, that all things are recorded in the stone of light.

Do you think there is a way to see it?

[N0B0DY]

I think to each party involved in the disagreement, depending upon the disagreement, the other party will always be the bad guy.

Though once one jumps off a cliff and hits the ground, changing one's mind ceases to remain prevalent.