[One_source_one_outcome]

Proof of god and that everything is nothing

God, who I prefer to call the source, must exist…..

There was the matter that caused the big bang, the source for everything in our known universe. This matter was created by something and the something that created that thing which created the material for our big bang was also created by something else. This makes the source of all things truly infinite because the original source of everything and all other sources is part of everything. (Conservation of mass and energy) If there was originally some mass or energy that created something than it is part of everything else, no matter how infinite we think the universe and other universes and divine beings above the divine beings goes on for it all comes back to one moment in time when the ORIGINAL source was created. Before that there was nothing, but since the source is all things it is also that nothing. The source both exists and does not exist at the same time. It is both everything and nothing all at once.

So in effect “What created god?” …. God created itself, but was also the nothingness before it was even created. God is everything and everything is god, but god is also nothing at the same time which means that EVERYTHING is nothing.

[mkirkpatrick]

Welcome OSOO to the toe,see that you have made an excellent start,a paradox indeed,
everything is nothing,and nothing is everything.Some would say no-thing rather than nothing?



regards michael.

[Polybius]

Originally Posted by One_source_one_outcome Proof of god and that everything is nothing God, who I prefer to call the source, must exist….. There was the matter that caused the big bang, the source for everything in our known universe. This matter was created by something and the something that created that thing which created the material for our big bang was also created by something else. This makes the source of all things truly infinite because the original source of everything and all other sources is part of everything. (Conservation of mass and energy) If there was originally some mass or energy that created something than it is part of everything else, no matter how infinite we think the universe and other universes and divine beings above the divine beings goes on for it all comes back to one moment in time when the ORIGINAL source was created. Before that there was nothing, but since the source is all things it is also that nothing. The source both exists and does not exist at the same time. It is both everything and nothing all at once. So in effect “What created god?” …. God created itself, but was also the nothingness before it was even created. God is everything and everything is god, but god is also nothing at the same time which means that EVERYTHING is nothing.

I tend to also think nothing is everything. Non-existence is the infinite everything. Because all that infinite information cannot actually exist anywhere, it realms in non-existence meaning that before the big bang there was actually everything-the infinite, but because it was everything it was nothing. I dislike the word god, but I'm assuming your definition is irreligious. And your cause and effect, that something sparked the big bang and something else created that and so on... Maybe it was a completely random event without any cause/source. What if nothing (=everything) created the Universe?

[One_source_one_outcome]

I use the term "god" because it is something people can relate to and understand to mean "that which created all things." However, I have a totally non-religious view of it. Basically to me it seems like nothing had to of created everything, which does in effect by our current understanding of science make everything = "no-thing" and "no-thing" = everything. Which is very difficult to think about. It provides for a different type of duality. We exist, but we also do not exist. Everything exists but also "no-thing" exists.

[Vishalnaik]

this could have been said in just one sentence " energy cannot be created or destroyed ..it can only be transfered"

[neutralino]

Note that the big bang theory does not state that the universe was "created" by something-- it merely states that at some time in the past the universe was a lot denser and hotter than it is now, and that the universe has expanded from that initial state.

Saying that "everything is nothing" is a pretty weird comment to make, if you ask me. Go and tell a beggar on the street to stop whinging because he "has everything"-- I imagine that won't go down too well!

I don't like the idea of god-- it's just like putting another parameter into the model to make it work.


Finally, on a more mundane point, I've moved this to "theory characteristics" since this forum is for "published" theories.

[One_source_one_outcome]

Yeah, the problem with "energy cannot be created or destroyed but only transfered" is what was there before energy? I guess there are two ways you can look at that... energy always was and always will be or there was a point in time when there was nothing and then a great amount of energy was created. It seems to me that if there was a singularity prior to the big bang that had that much energy stored in one space it could not have existed like that for more than the smallest fraction of a second. So either the universe is close ended (will eventually collapse back to the singularity for another big bang) or the matter/energy was somehow created there.... by what is to me something i like to think about a great deal.

[melanie]

=neutralino; Saying that "everything is nothing" is a pretty weird comment to make, if you ask me. Go and tell a beggar on the street to stop whinging because he "has everything"-- I imagine that won't go down too well!

No-thing arises as every-thing from/out of .. Nothing. Returning to Nothing.
An eternal cycle .. ''The Eternal Return''

So 'everything' is definitely no-thing and every-thing.

''go and tell a beggar to stop whinging because he has everything''

A beggar is no different to a bird or a flower or a tree.
THIS is ONE creation.
Creation is every-thing all at once.
Mother Earth Gaia, .. SHE has given US so much, it's embarrassingly abundant her bounty and beauty.

Does a bird know it's a bird? Does a tree know it's a tree?
They need no instruction. They ARE the creation. [THE GIFT] [FROM SELF TO SELF]
A bird and a tree are they not provided for by natures natural self sustaining law ? .... One with the knowing.

The beggar is given money by A passerby .. [The 'compassionate conscience' a gift from HER]
The begger SEE's this as everything..... the begger has everything therefore.
This is how it works.

WILL ''we'' ever wake up to this truth?

HEAVEN is here .. right NOW !! .... Rapture_ .. She is LOVE.

[melanie]

Originally Posted by melanie No-thing arises as every-thing from/out of .. Nothing. Returning to Nothing. An eternal cycle .. ''The Eternal Return'' So 'everything' is definitely no-thing and every-thing. ''go and tell a beggar to stop whinging because he has everything'' A beggar is no different to a bird or a flower or a tree. THIS is ONE creation. Creation is every-thing all at once. Mother Earth Gaia, .. SHE has given US so much, it's embarrassingly abundant her bounty and beauty. Does a bird know it's a bird? Does a tree know it's a tree? They need no instruction. They ARE the creation. [THE GIFT] [FROM SELF TO SELF] A bird and a tree are they not provided for by natures natural self sustaining law ? .... One with the knowing. The beggar is given money by A passerby .. [The 'compassionate conscience' a gift from HER] The begger SEE's this as everything..... the begger has everything therefore. This is how it works. WILL ''we'' ever wake up to this truth? HEAVEN is here .. right NOW !! .... Rapture_ .. She is LOVE.

Apologies for another one of my outrageous posts,
it is obvious that the very idea of there being a higher power,
will never be accepted on a forum like this one.

So lets leave the TOE Quest to the experts that will discover all the answers to the theory of everything.
Mainly the humans that 'appeared' out of nothing, and return to nothing.

Eternity is ample time for this TOE QUEST to be completed.

Peace and Equanimity to all. It's been fun ..

[melanie]

Originally Posted by melanie Apologies for another one of my outrageous posts, it is obvious that the very idea of there being a higher power, will never be accepted on a forum like this one. So lets leave the TOE Quest to the experts that will discover all the answers to the theory of everything. Mainly the humans that 'appeared' out of nothing, and return to nothing. Eternity is ample time for this TOE QUEST to be completed. Peace and Equanimity to all. It's been fun ..

What i find remarkable is .......

More often than not ....It is the most obvious ideas... that are overlooked
dismissed, un-addressed .. brushed under the carpet so to speak.
Mankind cannot entertain simplicity, No!! that is much too mundane for his big brain.... but remember folks a baby cannot run before it can walk.

So we choose to bury our heads in the sand.......
Meanwhile the grass grows all by itself, and the sun rises every morning
.... Nature is totally unconcerned by the fact that stupid intellectual humans would rather blow them selves up.
Rather than live this miraculous gift of life .. in this awesome paradise we call earth. [Our original mother]
who loves and sustains us .... SEE how she is disrespected because of our greed and thoughtlessness.
She is choking to death.

Alas ....Nature will survive the folly of mankind ... she is the intelligent one.
It's probably happened millions of times over in eternity.
One day man might even wake up and realize his dream is not actually a nightmare.

Won't that be nice.

The sacred feminine .. the female is smarter than the male

EARTH I love you.