The Role of Mankind

[Graybeard]

Yeah ..... He is not keen on subjects that can have no clear resolution. I sometimes feel like that too.

But them I'm to much a a shit-stirrer to stay out of them. Dave has good discipline.

cool bananas ... greg

[analog]

If I had to guess, I would say that our current topic (life) doesn't have enough observational/experimental evidence currently; thus we are only left with opinion and conjecture.

This is all true, but I sometimes enjoy interpreting/thinking beyond what is already acknowledged.

I know that he follows the Absolute Rest thread and has contributed much there. He always responds to questions about his framework there, such as the one you posed. Perhaps you should ask him there. It actually fits with our current discussions.

[Graybeard]

You might keep in mind that this thread is promoting the idea that energy, matter, and anti-matter are all made from a single fundamental substance of the universe.

If annihilation meant that the particle / anti-particle interaction resulted in the removal of the particles and their substance from the universe, then this would infer an existence of multiple forms of fundamental substance. The interaction however, results in the formation of radiant energy and thus it is just a conversion process of the fundamental substance’s property states of motion and bonding.

Yes ... I am saying the same as him .... I think ...

He is just pointing out here that when matter and anti-matter annihilate they return to the void. Our void, where their energy is available for re-use. Not some other void 'outside' the system.

cool bananas ... greg

[austintorn@aol.com]

The leprechaun is there with the crock of gold because Fermilab made it, accidently. They gave it, each time, to the little guy to wheel away, so as to not ruin the economy. It's being kept for an emergency, like an oil shortage.


Anyway, if we're stuck with there being just one universe possible, then we'll still have to figure out how the FS was of a workable nature.

[analog]

Yes ... I am saying the same as him .... I think ...

He is just pointing out here that when matter and anti-matter annihilate they return to the void. Our void, where their energy is available for re-use. Not some other void 'outside' the system.

cool bananas ... greg

That's right.

Due to the founding conservation laws that provide the much needed symmetry of our world, nothing ever leaves the universal system. This is why we often talk about the conversion of motion from random to angular to linear; thus conserving it also. The conservation of momentum is a powerful insight into the absolute scale of our world, IMHO.

He's saying that the particle and anti-particle are both structured matter with conflicting motions, thus their interaction converted their uniform motions into random motions; thus diminishing their bonding property, and causing them to revert back to their spatial medium; thus causing spatial expansion viewed as radiant energy.

This spatial expansion would be the expanding void of the Standard Model.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Ms M’s sodium level was way down again, but this time she was ready for the fragmentation of her psyche that was to come as a Near Death Experience (NDE).

Last time she had gone back a mere 34,000 years but had been in both shock and awe at what she could dredge up, and so she had ventured no further.

She was now ‘safely’ in the hospital, but the sodium drop had already begun a cascade of events that had called upon Death to knock at her door, while also revealing the brain’s hidden recesses to her consciousness. Opiate endorphins flooded her brain; she was happy and high and could see everything that ever was.

I can see into the life of things.

She searched back almost 700 million years, although not really knowing how far. Had there been some early trace of humanity’s humble beginnings back there?

There were dinosaurs, among them triceratops, stegosaurus, thesaurus, and brontosaurus towering and dwarfing all else.

I am a goner, but at least I’ll enjoy the ride.

She leapt ahead ten thousand years; the dinos were still dominant.

Another day, another sun going down…

Then she peered way ahead: one million years: they were still there, their numbers having increased; some of them even flew.

We should have been home by now…

She jumped way ahead—fifty million years; they still covered the earth, devouring all, ever feeding. By what hand were these eternal monsters made to rule the world?

Where was proto-man? He should have appeared by now. There was going to be trouble.

They were beautiful beasts but she felt no kinship with them.

I am not of thee.

Sensing their invulnerability, she dared to move tremendously ahead—five hundred millions years; there were now untold varieties and numbers of dinosaurs. They exhaled the very breath of Eternity, that of the never-ending—they were the Kings of Forever. It looked as if humankind would never make it.

I will look for us near rivers deep, clear, and wide.

Those shores were empty of early man—and filled with swimming monsters; however, something was amiss—the air was rather hazy.

She looked but a decade ahead; they were all dead or dying.

Their eyes were as blank and empty as Paradise.

She glanced but another decade further; they were all gone.

A stellar nursery, the Pleiades, has just appeared in the night sky.

A nervous shrew-like night creature darted out into the open in the daytime.

I know you.

All too soon, in one way, Ms M received the life saving spinal injection, for she was about to traverse from prehistoric man right on up through Homo Sapiens, but, at least, death would have to come back another day.

[Mikal]

When scientists refer to the Big Bang, they are referring to what we all think of as a huge explosion into existence. But further advances in 'theorising' have now ruled this out. Because the Universe has such a consistent temperature 'universe wide' it is now believed that thermal equilibrium was achieved. Simply, this just means that everything, after the big bang, was in touch with every other thing long enough to reach the same temperature.

Therefore no big bang, just a consistent beginning, (which may have been going on forever) thermal equilibrium reached, and then a massive inflation, millions of times faster than the speed of light. A bit like blowing up a balloon, the first part is hard, and then it expands like ..... a balloon .... lol

This is known as the Inflationary Epoch. For each particle that was created with a certain property, an equal and opposite particle was created with opposite properties. These were created out of the void !

For convenience only, we have named them 'matter' and 'anti-matter'. These were only transitory particles, so that as a matter particle collided with an antimatter particle they annihilated each other and their energy returned to the void.

This is NORMAL.

It has been demonstrated in laboratories that it is not possible to create one without the other.

I don't know if you can see it but there is a problem here. If every particle is created with its own equal and opposite, and they annihilate on meeting ..... then why haven't they all annihilated ??

There are only two likely explanations:

1 .. The Universe had a 'built in' tendency to slightly favour matter over antimatter, and so a tiny bit of matter was left over after the annihilation

2 .. Or, everything was in perfect balance, but something caused this to change so that as 99.99% of all matter annihilated with anti-matter, a tiny bit of matter was left over.

Either way ....... We are that bit !! Our visible Universe is that bit.

The second point of view is preferred, although there is no clear experimental evidence indicating either of them to be the correct one. The reason it is preferred is not scientific, just philosophical. Here it is:

If the Universe includes everything, time, space and matter, (or Fundamental Substance + Void) then nothing exists outside it, nor can anything have existed before it ..... therefore total Baryon Number (particles) is B = 0.

There are also some scientific reasons for not preferring view number 1.

This explanation is known as Baroyngensis .... the 'genesis of baryons' (particles) ????



Hope that helps ??

cool bananas ... greg

PS: The CPT theorem, to do with the breaking of symmetry as above ... was shown to be associated with the Weak Nuclear force and was first proven in a series of 'parity violation' tests performed at Fermilab by Leon Lederman, for which he received the nobel prize. That same Fermilab, that you have been denigrating in another thread ......

Hi Greg....is there such a thing as we must have thermal equilibrium within the inner environment of our biological life...?????

[Mikal]

Ms M’s sodium level was way down again, but this time she was ready for the fragmentation of her psyche that was to come as a Near Death Experience (NDE).

Last time she had gone back a mere 34,000 years but had been in both shock and awe at what she could dredge up, and so she had ventured no further.

She was now ‘safely’ in the hospital, but the sodium drop had already begun a cascade of events that had called upon Death to knock at her door, while also revealing the brain’s hidden recesses to her consciousness. Opiate endorphins flooded her brain; she was happy and high and could see everything that ever was.

I can see into the life of things.

She searched back almost 700 million years, although not really knowing how far. Had there been some early trace of humanity’s humble beginnings back there?

There were dinosaurs, among them triceratops, stegosaurus, thesaurus, and brontosaurus towering and dwarfing all else.

I am a goner, but at least I’ll enjoy the ride.

She leapt ahead ten thousand years; the dinos were still dominant.

Another day, another sun going down…

Then she peered way ahead: one million years: they were still there, their numbers having increased; some of them even flew.

We should have been home by now…

She jumped way ahead—fifty million years; they still covered the earth, devouring all, ever feeding. By what hand were these eternal monsters made to rule the world?

Where was proto-man? He should have appeared by now. There was going to be trouble.

They were beautiful beasts but she felt no kinship with them.

I am not of thee.

Sensing their invulnerability, she dared to move tremendously ahead—five hundred millions years; there were now untold varieties and numbers of dinosaurs. They exhaled the very breath of Eternity, that of the never-ending—they were the Kings of Forever. It looked as if humankind would never make it.

I will look for us near rivers deep, clear, and wide.

Those shores were empty of early man—and filled with swimming monsters; however, something was amiss—the air was rather hazy.

She looked but a decade ahead; they were all dead or dying.

Their eyes were as blank and empty as Paradise.

She glanced but another decade further; they were all gone.

A stellar nursery, the Pleiades, has just appeared in the night sky.

A nervous shrew-like night creature darted out into the open in the daytime.

I know you.

All too soon, in one way, Ms M received the life saving spinal injection, for she was about to traverse from prehistoric man right on up through Homo Sapiens, but, at least, death would have to come back another day.

Hi Austie....chuckling here....enjoying your tale except take out the opiate endorphins. After the spinal I was confined to remaining flat on my back for set time considered medical danger period. With rest ordered, the room silent and everybody gone....I had no choice but to feel very scared, frightened and confused about my situation I found myself in...that would be far from an opiate saturating the environment of your brain.

Your rendition of time travel through years and evolutionary stages involving all of life is kind of like talking about the "oneness" moment....a subjective experience of temporary and momentary connection with all of life, all life has ever been and spurned out of itself....the "oneness" moment...subjective experience of all having one source and just being fragments or threads of one thing.....strange, awesome experience...



Smiles Mikal

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