The Role of Mankind

[SB_UK]

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not wishful thinking -
- simply a motif
defining the nature of ALL of reality

[SB_UK]

That's the point..there can never be a conclusion to a THEORY...or it wouldn't be a THEORY..it'd be a fact..
- then the ToE would be the FoE...
- that's the fun in the ToE..you can make up what you like, because it's *your* THEORY...I think..
well..that's my theory..

: -)

There aren't any absolute facts
- just a fulcrum which pivots first this then that
as we extend ourselves
into a bounded infinity

friend or FoE ToE
'd b
in permitting ToE 2B
dropping control

Hey !
- let's just wait and
see

dropping control
......................ever higher majesty

orderly.ordered
orderly^ordered ascent

not fixed commandment
.......................no bypass

take it incrementally or

--- All fall down ---
crown to the ground

majesty floundering unceremoniously

A proud tradition takes solace in processes

rationally
naturally

nationally
globally

Universal scope extends holistically.

[Hucknallite]

: -)

There aren't any absolute facts

Is that an absolute fact or is it false?

[SB_UK]

Is that an absolute fact or is it false?

if we want some star to hang our bearings off then there are no absolute facts

if we want to be happy then there are effectively absolutes

- there are absolutes if we want to explain away all of the discrepancies which have plagued our thinkers -
the nature of a covalent bond, alchemy, astrology, mind and God -
at this point in time

though whether we can make the statement that we have some absolute which'll stay with us for ever more -
seems like a rash promise

- perhaps if we've the option to extend -

- the reason why I might suggest that we have a lasting absolute would need to be aligned to the idea that we've never had a single model for reality previously.

- though identifying the point of mind re-orientates the nature of our drive to understand reality.

False is a part of that model (a current ToE) -
it's not the kinda' absolute which we generally seek though.

Absolutes may well be over-romanticised -

- do we have an absolute ?
don't know -

what's it meant to do for us ?

I think it's safer to suggest that we can explain away all of extant reality -
- noting that our views are conditional on mind is conditional on reality -

so effectively yes ?
and absolutely no ?

Do we need to know ?

I think this model defines the Absolute as absolutely not possible for change to be permitted -
- and there must be change
- unless change is permitted to be an Absolute -

- though so what ?

~boots~
a conclusive T oE 'd be a fact -
- sounds to me as though a conclusive T oE'd be absolute prior to losing foothold to a higher level of complexity.

ToE's an architecture and not actually code -
we're code -
- so maybe.

Is it satisfying to use NOT as an absolute or FALSE ?
- at the highest level -

- possibly not -

- to define what we cannot know -
but then again maybe -

though with the pattern generalizing down below fundamental level -
maybe sure -
though then again only effectively

- this question is confounded by the absolute nature of understanding conditional on evolving emergent structure of mind
- though maybe not ?

too hard ???

I don't know.

(does it matter ?)

Maybe it does and Maybe it doesn't -
I think it's easier to work out what we expect from 'yes' and 'no' -
and to see if our expectations are false from the position we're now in.

To be able to define a method for time travel is off limits
- to meet ourselves in the future too -

though to be happy and a path into the future based on all we currently know -
is absolutely possible now.

Absolutes ?

I really don't know.

(There's a very great freedom which I've just felt attempting to imagine a world without Absolutes) -
anything imaginable becomes possible at some point -
- where the strength of desire is probably related to likelihood of occurrence -

- and now I'm off questioning our motives -
- as our motives are as much a construct of a construct which was constructed by process of
naturally -
and so continues to operate by pattern of nature
naturally.

Apologies for taking so long to reply -
I began to feel an odd beating sensation on the right side halfway down my neck and my eyes starting a bizarre kinda' REM-like blinking earlier on today whilst replying -

have had both sensations previously -
never both together simultaneously though -

little unsettling -

- very strange indeed.

[leskey]

what would happen if man were evolving from desire for physical to virtual pleasures
where physical world objects cost and
'information just wants to be free' ?

Been thinking about this, SB. This is when we begin to realise heaven on earth, but first there will be more pain...a lot more pain...the brand new does not emerge without pain...

[G_burnett]

"hey, Sage, are you back yet from Uranus?"

"yes ... sorry i am late, Saturn had a cool condense happening of a sulfide phosphorous crystal formation in the whole of the northern atmosphere and it was kind of interesting but greg hasn't got there yet so i came home ... "

"What do you think mankind's role is here ..."

" I do not think mankind's role would be any different then the role of any other life form or better said the ALL BE-ing existence ..."

"You mean sage the clumping event ?.."

"yes and the tendency in rule of motion to stay moving once it is ALL going ..."

"but sage, that is to simple." Graham replied yawning .. then continued ..

"There is the elicitation of nature that demands this that we are a part of it all and the all has a purpose or role for us to be part of."

"The purpose would be perspectively noticed as to continue in the creation of the universe and failing to do this having the proof of the postulation above that if you do not understand your role as being but a small part of the ALL BE-ing you are ... what graham?"

"Ahh .. I see sage," graham thinking for a momentary pause..goes on ......... " Aids, ....disease of all kinds, famine, shortages of all kinds, ....war, ..... conflict of all kinds .... death of mankind itself manifesting .."

"yes graham, once you are out of the all ... you are out of the all and suffer the consequences of the all."

"are we out of the all sage?"

"no graham, we have been letting mother nature take its course for a long time now... not helping or abetting nature"

"right, some things are worth contemplating ..."

"and one does what has to be done graham,"

"... but not for self."

"sometimes when we do nothing sage we do everything don"t we?

"Yes Graham, we do."

"Hey sage, how abouts we drop out of Euclidean space and bring back the present or two of numbers for Tim?" "Maybe that Bosun or something for Dave .. I am sure it will fit though the hole I have building once my spin is up to speed ..."

"we are not allowed to do that yet Graham."

"oh, yea, mother again..."

[~boots~]

Who's Sage?

[G_burnett]

Shhh ... you wil wake him and im working on something behind his back... g

[~boots~]

Shhh ... you wil wake him and im working on something behind his back... g

It's ok..I'll just kick his butt back to Uranus

[leskey]

"hey, Sage, are you back yet from Uranus?"

"yes ... sorry i am late, Saturn had a cool condense happening of a sulfide phosphorous crystal formation in the whole of the northern atmosphere and it was kind of interesting but greg hasn't got there yet so i came home ... "

"What do you think mankind's role is here ..."

" I do not think mankind's role would be any different then the role of any other life form or better said the ALL BE-ing existence ..."

"You mean sage the clumping event ?.."

"yes and the tendency in rule of motion to stay moving once it is ALL going ..."

"but sage, that is to simple." Graham replied yawning .. then continued ..

"There is the elicitation of nature that demands this that we are a part of it all and the all has a purpose or role for us to be part of."

"The purpose would be perspectively noticed as to continue in the creation of the universe and failing to do this having the proof of the postulation above that if you do not understand your role as being but a small part of the ALL BE-ing you are ... what graham?"

"Ahh .. I see sage," graham thinking for a momentary pause..goes on ......... " Aids, ....disease of all kinds, famine, shortages of all kinds, ....war, ..... conflict of all kinds .... death of mankind itself manifesting .."

"yes graham, once you are out of the all ... you are out of the all and suffer the consequences of the all."

"are we out of the all sage?"

"no graham, we have been letting mother nature take its course for a long time now... not helping or abetting nature"

"right, some things are worth contemplating ..."

"and one does what has to be done graham,"

"... but not for self."

"sometimes when we do nothing sage we do everything don"t we?

"Yes Graham, we do."

"Hey sage, how abouts we drop out of Euclidean space and bring back the present or two of numbers for Tim?" "Maybe that Bosun or something for Dave .. I am sure it will fit though the hole I have building once my spin is up to speed ..."

"we are not allowed to do that yet Graham."

"oh, yea, mother again..."

Hi, Graham.

This is the "Role of Mankind" thread. Perhaps to you should tell Sage to elaborate upon his musings from the other thread, so the posters here understand what it is he's talking about???

Otherwise I'd have to agree with boots...