The Role of Mankind

[analog]

Tim .... I'm a bit unsure about emergence .... I have done a lot of tests with ants on my balcony .... Do I here you laughing ?

Emergence isn't just about intelligence and communication after life formations evolve, it's also about how life formed to begin with from an inanimate world. It's about how the same fundamentals that make up inanimate objects can also make animated ones. Intelligence and communication would evolve/emerge after that amazing act.

Compared to the initial emergence of life, understanding communication should be a cake walk.

You probably already know that; just thought I would make sure. Let me think on the communication part a bit.

BTW: I did get a good laugh about the ant....Sorry. Are we still friends?

[Profpat]

BE FRUITFUL AND MULTIPLY

How many of you saw the movie MARCH OF THE PENQUINS. A beautiful movie about the Penguin’s march to bear off springs, a most incredible journey, where the males hold the eggs, that the female has laid, throughout the Artic winter. All for the purpose of reproducing.

Than there is the mayfly, which lives for only one day, whose only function is to reproduce. It takes a year for the eggs to mature at the bottom of a lake. And then like magic, the lake towns are inundated with mayflies. They don’t eat, only copulate. Hopefully, they die over the lake, where their eggs drop to the lakes bottom. And one year later, there the process starts all over again.
Needless to say the birds and fish have a feast.

And the male praying mantis, which is going to be decapitated, by the female during copulation, so it doesn’t quit the act of copulation.

And many species of spiders, where the male is going to be eaten by the female, after the act.

And mammals, where the female will risk it’s life to protect it’s young.

These are just a few examples, where the urge to reproduce the species is greater than the individual life itself.

Needless to say, I’m glad I’m not a male praying mantis.

Best to all,

Pat

[Graybeard]

Hey Sal .... One of my favourite friends on this forum .... How is it goin ?

Heres a link to all the different Hominids .... and the 'tentative' connections betweenthem CLICK

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Check it out and let me know if you want to know more

cool bananas babe .... greg

[Graybeard]

Well ... I did say that I had to catch up on Emergence.

I don't have a big problem understanding how a complex sugar (inanimate) can form RNA. The biological part is almost there. That is, the formation of a living cell in the Laboratory is not that far away

The problem to me has always been with multiple cells (multicelled) and a single governing 'intelligence'

Emergence, and I think this is what Dave is also referring to, offers an explanation for this puzzle.

After all, we have no problem understanding and accepting how a colony of ants are governed ... We don't postulate a God.

But when we have a multi-celled creature such as a Human, we have great difficulty accepting that the same principle is at work as that in the Ant Colony. ... We postulate Deities ...

But ... I really need to read much more on Emergence to be able to talk about it confidently.

cool bananas ... greg

[Graybeard]

Pat ... good post.

I have explained (to myself ... and to my own satisfaction) how Evolution accounts for all the examples you give.

Thats why I say that Evolution fits all the known facts and has no need to postulate a God.

Theres that Occam's Razor again old friend ...

cool bananas ... greg

[Graybeard]

Also Tim ... regarding your post in the Emergence thread .... Where you refer to the clustering of galaxies

You may want to read up on Cosmic Strings and Phase transitions. I know that they (the strings) are only postulated ... but they offer a different solution to yours

cool bananas ... greg

[sillysally]

Hey Sal .... One of my favourite friends on this forum .... How is it goin ?

Heres a link to all the different Hominids .... and the 'tentative' connections betweenthem CLICK

Also you can buy casts of all these skulls, something which I am saving for and working a lot of overtime for. CLICK

Perhaps they are not everyones idea of nice ornaments for the home ... but they sure are to me ... LOL

Check it out and let me know if you want to know more

cool bananas babe .... greg

OMgosh! I feel so silly! I thought I was posting in one of your threads! Sorry, if my post can be moved over to Gregs thread, please do so.

LOL, I think your motif is shocking! I want to know more but in the appropriate thread, unless it fits here which I can't tell.

[Graybeard]

Sal ... your wonderful just bein you. It fits, it fits LOL

cool bananas ... greg

Dear Peoples of this thread .... off to Stanthorpe for 3 days ... catch ya when I'm bak

[Profpat]

I encourage your participation from that viewpoint Pat.

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How do you view the role of mankind in a system with a god?

Are we here just to keep him company?

Does his existence require our existence?

Are we all a dream of his?

How do you see it? We can certainly discuss it.

HOW DO I VIEW THE ROLE OF MANKIND IN A SYSTEM WITH A GOD?

( According to the church of Profpat )

OK Tim, good question. I’m going to have to rely on my religious education here to assist me in answering that question.

First, as I pointed out in Genesis 1 vs. 28 God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, ( I don’t think we need further explanation of that), and replenish the Earth and subdue it: ( By subduing, I think that would mean to cultivate the land, by replenishing I think that would mean reforest, restock etc.) and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the Earth. ( This I believe is God telling us we are at the top of the food chain, and its’ OK for me to eat meat and kill mosquitoes ).

Notice what is missing here: no worship or adoration, no sacrifices, no love required, no commandments to follow. This is one of the reasons I like Genesis chapter 1 so much.

Well I think we are doing that pretty well, except in the replenishing area. That needs to be improved.

The next quantum leap in mankind’s role, was Jesus’ Two Great Commandments: First: Love God with your whole heart, mind and soul: and the Second like the first; love your neighbor as you love yourself. ( This is a biggie because it assumes you believe in a God to love, which I do, and the Jews did )

Tim in a prior post I stated that Love was one of the major purposes for my existence. As I recall you pooh, pooh, that as a purpose.

And that my friend is it. Notice how I skipped the Ten Commandments, and everything else about thou shall, and thou shall not. All of those I believe are covered in the Two Great Commandments.

As far as your other questions in your post, I DON”T KNOW.

[analog]

Hello Pat,

In my opinion, and from the teaching that I recall (it's been a while), the bible is best viewed as a genealogy record of Jesus and the "holy bloodline". For the most part, the only time another race of people is discussed, after creation, is when they come into contact with someone of the race that would bring Jesus forth.

I'll have to differ with you about your statement that no commandment was given to the sixth day creation of mankind. "Be fruitful and multiply....." was the first commandment given to mankind; fortunately for religious folks, it's the easiest to maintain; it's in our nature; no morals required. The next, as I recall, was what theoretical "fruit" to be avoiding; morals make their first appearance; thus mankinds first real opportunity to fail.

Do you believe in the eighth day creation view; whereby sixth day creation of mankind (different races) was hunters and gathers, thus their commandment of being fruitful and multiplying; and eighth day creation was "The Man" (Eve's Adam) the farmer in the garden, the great.........grandfather of Jesus. This is how I was taught and it helps to explain alot of things most preachers would avoid when asked even by the simple mind of a small child; like how did diversity of race come from one race? And even if they did; how did they continue after the flood of Noah? Where did the giants come from, etc? Here's a link to further explaination from Tina's thread: What is the Root of Evil. If you let it load completely, it will go directly to the post.

I don't take the bible literally, but it was an interesting read.

Let's take this from another perspective. If you continued with your quantum world "Idea"; how much of our world do you feel you could explain with it until you ran into the need for god?

At what point will the peices not fit and an abstract omnipotent entity be needed to further explain?

Can we explain all interactions physically, and god takes the role of observer? But if he's not interacting, which would cause a huge variable in the system if he were, what good would prayer do?

I see alot of contradictions in most peoples view of a god, but that's just my opinion. To further explain this statement; I pasted a link at the start of this thread (post# eight) under the word "Religion". It will further clarify what I'm saying.

As I recall you pooh, pooh, that as a purpose.

Sorry Pat. No offense intended; just trying to get everyone thinking.

regards,

Tim