[austintorn@aol.com]

Yes, it's hard to reckon, for Christ's wish and direction was to die that way for man's sins (the fable), so the persecutors performed God's will in a way.

[Mikal]

I wonder if when those professing the concept of Karma, who refer to it as cause and effect are not really revealing the situation where without awakening everything outside is a cause and we experience the effect which essentially provides further opportunities to learn from lessons, change attitudes and move on to spiritual evolutionary advancement???

peace Mikal

[Graybeard]

Originally Posted by Mikal so Jesus's torture and crucifixion could in karmic sense have been the cause of religious persecution and his suffering and crucifixion the effect.

I would have thought using common sense would have worked just as well.

Try replacing the word 'Karmic' with 'Comic'. Makes just as much Komic sense to me.

cool bananas ... greg

[Mikal]

So we change the wording to "Jesus's torture and Crucifixtion could in "comic" sense" and it now becomes about causing or meant to cause laughter.

Now you've lost me Greybeard??

Peace Mikal

[Graybeard]

Yes, I know. I may never laugh again.

Peace ... greg.

[austintorn@aol.com]

So true, Mikal, that Everything is the cause, for the basic energy turned into forms that moved—and then everything took off from there, hardly like intention in the human sense, I suppose, but a cause: movement giving rise to change giving rise to all that we are, komic as it is sometimes!

[Mikal]

So everything is the cause, we experience the effect, it gives rise to change and if spiritual evolution and advancement occur then cause becomes something we now see and innately understand....

peace Mikal

[austintorn@aol.com]

Yes, Mikal, we are the energy and I've had some very good Karma caused effects lately.

As for what the brain does subconsciously we probably don't exactly know all, generally, although some, but who would want to see a bunch of signals buzzing and zapping around specifically? But I assume it's all for good cause (and effect) by the time it gets to our minds.

[Mikal]

Yes Austin...if my Karma were little sparrows carrying little message notes they would be reading..."all good Karma straight ahead"...or "good karma this way" or "Karmic rewards up ahead"


smiles Mikal

[austintorn@aol.com]

That's a funny one, Mikal, and it became even more so when a chickadee delivered your message on a post-it (posted?) note.