On the Subject of 'Karma'.

[austintorn@aol.com]

'Twas the flower that has never been seen, left by Eve in paradiseia, for she could not carry all, but now magically appears on earth, as conceived by the Karmic merger of Tulip/Rose.

[Mikal]

So the TuliRose is Truth and Beauty...the seed of the flower Eve left behind in paradise.....

smiles...Mikal..(*) (*)

[Mikal]

Small moment of lack of insight austintorn...the Tulirose is three flowers..the Tulip which is Truth, the lily which is goodness and the Rose which is beauty...so the Tu-li-Rose is the flower left behind by Eve in paradise....

smiles...Mikal>>>>>>(*) (*)

[austintorn@aol.com]

You are amazing, Mikal, for love = Truth+Goodness+Beauty, that is, the tulirose!

It still grows wild in Eden, but now we hold it in our hands.

[Mikal]

It would not be hard to seem amazing when you are following a genius who rushes from post to pillar planting seeds of insight...chuckles>>>The Tulirose lives!!!

smiles...Mikal>>>>>(*) ()

[austintorn@aol.com]

Did you ever read my long epic poem on the lore and legends of the flowers, called Flora Symbolica? (I've improved it with some illustrations)

Should I post-it, Chickadee?

[Mikal]

Austin sweetie....yes post it and I will catch it later...

smiles>>>>>(*) ()

[RascalPuff]

Dear Hearts:
Much of the preceding dialogue (including Austin's characteristically outstanding Flora Symbolica on another thread) has been perused and enjoyed by Truly Yours, not to exclude the sensitive references to butterflys, storks, and the tracks of chickadees...

Whereas, imho, some of these airy ornithological issues seem to hop, skip, jump, blosssom and sail off the per se topic of 'karma'. May there be a little more traveling music to the resumation of that academic and mystical path?

[Mikal]

RascalPuff....I'll have to apologise for me and Austie....he is at his fun job smiles..we will be sure to go and cut up and bring joy and laughter over on Flora Symbolica...we did leave you some serious posts too though...what can I tell you we are enjoying some good shared Karma....smiles

peace Mikal

[melanie]

Karma is a complete fabrication of the human mind IT has no reality.


Although one speaks of appearances as existent and substantial phenomena,
and of emptiness as some nonexistent and nonsubstantial phenomenon,
in fact the situation is beyond the extremes of existence and nonexistence, like the unity of appearances and emptiness in a dream.

Naïve affirmation amounts to positing that things are existent in being continuous and having identity.
Nihilistic denial amounts to positing that things are nonexistent in being momentary by nature but divisible to the point were nothing remains.

Neither of these positions is the case,
because the fact that time has never existed means that neither a continuity nor a moment has ever existed.


About the nonexistence of karma and habitual patterns/conditioning:

As for 'karma,' 'afflictive emotions,' 'the consequences of actions,' and 'habitual patterns,'
it is impossible that these exist in actuality,
for when your experience of them is pure (direct) they accord with the eight metaphors of illusoriness.
You may assume they do exist in the mind, but if you examine the nature of their three phases -occurrence,
duration, and disappearance- you cannot find either a mind as the support or an afflictive emotion as what it supports,
and so they definitely do not exist.
You may assume that they (conditionings) exist in the body,
but if you investigate the body down to its irreducible subatomic particles, you will find neither a body as the support
nor the consequences of actions as what it supports.
Non of these has ever existed,
just as a flower in the sky has no place to grow or any finite essence of its own. The great Garuda states;
In this mind,
about which it is fundamentally impossible to posit anything,
Habitual patterns and the consequences of actions have no basis,
so what could support them?
Just as a flower has no place to grow in the sky,
Having no support,
The body and the mind have no location,
So there is no possible support for habitual patterns.


By Longchen Rabjam Tibet 1308-1363 > > > a very old person



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