[Guille]

This is part of a philosofical zone of my theory. it is just a short resuming of it.

ok, I based it in some knowledge I've adquared from others, but it's mine idea (I don't know if it's already had):

all life is biology. all biology is chemistry. all chemistry is physics. al physics devides in: mathematics and philosophy. all mathematics and philosophy are logic. thus, all life is logic.

I got the logic reduction from reading Russell, the biology to chemistry part from my chem teacher and the rest is mine.

what do you think about it?

[AntonioLao]

my definition of life (biology: zoology and botany as classified by the kingdoms) is a complex adaptive system between order and chaos. A truly ordered system cannot by its very nature support life, whether plants or animals. The three inclusive systems between order and chaos are the state of space (order), the state of matter (complexity), the state of energy (chaos). The geometries between these states are fractal geometries of nonlinear dynamic systems of chaos theories.

The state of space-matter-energy is the trinity of existence (TOE).

[Guille]

Antonio, what do you think in life of refering to logic?

Originally Posted by AntonioLao my definition of life (biology: zoology and botany as classified by the kingdoms) is a complex adaptive system between order and chaos.

do you mean by this, that life is between logic and illogic?

[AntonioLao]

come to think about it, mathematics, from a point of view of number theory, is the most illogical study one can ever encounter. What i'm talking about is the existence of irrational numbers in between the rational numbers of positive and negative integers. And Cantor's transfinite numbers. He became insane studying them. And the most illogical, irrational and transcendental number is the number , which is the ratio of the circumference of a circle over its diameter.

[AntonioLao]

Originally Posted by GUILLE do you mean by this, that life is between logic and illogic?

life is logical if and only if we learned how to adapt and survive within a given environment.

life is illogical if and only if we failed to adapt to a given environment. But no one can survive death itself. So, in the long run, we all failed trying to live forever (the ultimate adaptation is to defy suffering and death).

This adaption is strictly personal although we human beings can help each other during time of crisis for survival thus prolonging the onset of death. In the end we all face death alone.

[Guille]

Originally Posted by AntonioLao come to think about it, mathematics, from a point of view of number theory, is the most illogical study one can ever encounter. What i'm talking about is the existence of irrational numbers in between the rational numbers of positive and negative integers. And Cantor's transfinite numbers. He became insane studying them. And the most illogical, irrational and transcendental number is the number , which is the ratio of the circumference of a circle over its diameter.

I have always thought like that. math is illogical, being logical. well, I am trying to immitate Bertrand Russell's deception in his study of the reduction of math to formal logic, and when he ended developing the paradox that has his name, disproving himself. Quote "Mathematics is in logic, logically, illogic." and in this site (http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~...s/Russell.html). this is something on the web about him "In Principia Mathematica, Whitehead and Russell were able to provide detailed derivations of many major theorems in set theory, finite and transfinite arithmetic, and elementary measure theory."

[AntonioLao]

as an alternate idea to Russell's paradox, see Godel's theorem at
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Goedels...ssTheorem.html

A statement sometimes known as Gödel's second incompleteness theorem states that if number theory is consistent, then a proof of this fact does not exist using the methods of first-order predicate calculus. Stated more colloquially, any formal system that is interesting enough to formulate its own consistency can prove its own consistency iff it is inconsistent.

[Guille]

thanks for the IFF link.

my question is very dificult, now, is life consistent?

[AntonioLao]

Daily life is inconsistent. But the genetic codes is consistent. The combinations of the genetic base pairs adenine-thymine and guanine-cytosine always come out forming the same chromosomes.

[Guille]

here we get to the dificult-to-get-over point, which si when we have to differentiate in order to unify, the concepts of life in different studies (principally biology and philosophy)