In the blink of God's eye

[austintorn@aol.com]

If NASA hadn’t redirected its focus to a Mars landing, there would have been better WMAP-type satellites to measure the gravity wave polarizations to find out about the speed and length of the inflationary period, if there was one such. It would even tell if the universe was kind of a cyclical one.

Some of this analysis is toward the end of this thread:

http://www.toequest.com/forum/the-ma...e-cricket.html

[austintorn@aol.com]

In an NDE, a Hindu, say, does not see the same religious visions that a Christian does, further showing that all is of the individual’s mind-brain.

To boot, a full blown OBE experience can be induced chemically, but no one really wants to have an NDE induced .

In an NDE, one is in danger of death and the brain is certainly not in a normal state, perhaps even being drained of oxygen and nutrients. Seeing a light at the end of a tunnel is a result of how the visual cortex works in this state. We normally only see clearly only about the size of a deck of cards held at arm’s length (try looking just a little away and the clarity goes way down)—this is the center of the tunnel.

[Graybeard]

This point is, the structure of the continuous wave, not the photon through the ridigity of the electomagnetic field. In other words the same parameters that keep a wave with a set frequency and wavelength throughout can be rotated at one end and the entire wave rotates, independent of the speed of the individual particles within the structure.

From your description it appears that you picture a wave as a sort of long rod bent and curved into the shape of a series of sine waves.

It is the underlying principle of wave tension

Where can I read about this principle ?

greg

[Mikal]

When I had my NDE did I get entangled with the gravitational wave??

I can only speak for OBE’s, but the ‘out of body’ part is similar for NDE’s. This could fool anyone. I was fooled the first time. I saw myself from above, clear as could be: ‘out of body’ and seeming to look down at my actual body.

In a subsequent episode I was lucky enough to note my real-looking ‘dream’ hand diverging from my real and unmoving hand. I was in sleep paralysis. This is when one is partly really awake, but cannot move.

When we have an normal imagination or a memory of a scene, we often see it from above. Think of Graybeard and his girlfriend laying on the beach of the Gold Coast instead of researching ant food tastes. You see them from above.

It’s not just a vision that comes in an OBE, but any sense. Once I kept a dream song playing for 10-15 seconds after I awoke. It was playing only on the mind-brain ‘radio’.

One may have an urge to reply that the OBE/NDE seemed really real, that it was surely not a vision of imagination, etc., but just think, first, about how it is always and only the mind-brain that puts a face on reality. I cannot stress enough that we only ever see the insides of our brain—the reality show—whether awake or asleep. Sure, objects seem to be ‘out there’, but they are actually projected, in the mind-brain ‘eye’, out back whence their light waves originated. There is no color, form, texture, etc. out there. There is not even light as we think of it, but ‘light’ made inside of our dark heads.

When one is ‘floating’ above one’s body, it is not that Gravity’s laws have been repealed, nor is one in another dimension, but just in the mind, as always.

Plus, in an NDE, a Hindu, say, does not see the same religious visions that a Christian does, further showing that all is of the individual’s mind-brain.

To boot, a full blown OBE experience can be induced chemically, but no one really wants to have an NDE induced .

In an NDE, one is in danger of death and the brain is certainly not in a normal state, perhaps even being drained of oxygen and nutrients. Seeing a light at the end of a tunnel is a result of how the visual cortex works in this state. We normally only see clearly only about the size of a deck of cards held at arm’s length (try looking just a little away and the clarity goes way down)—this is the center of the tunnel.

Nobody is fooled here Austin. You can only speculate about my NDE or read books by those who are also speculating. The experience is unique to the experiencer...

There is no comparison between NDE and OBE. OBE being a hypersensory experience almost very much like an extension of and from the physical body. NDE being a consciousness experience and complete break from the physical body, to experience being in a light, super sensitive replica of the physical body...I suppose thats where the term "light body" comes from...its a whole body experience like your in a sensitive body that overlays the sense of your earth body...must be experienced...

In an OBE you can have some control over ending the state and being back in your body...In an NDE you do not have control over ending the state. Some people report being pushed back...I experienced being brought back by a presence with me and had an awful experience like being poured back into my body....affect..extremities felt like they weighed a ton...lol...

Have studied sleep paralysis and compared it to my own OBE...it is the state preceding the ability to experience the OBE state...

There is no visions in NDE...there is conscious awareness of being elsewhere,awareness of new body, awareness of a presence, awareness if that presence touches you, there is emotional communication only...no words

The famous tunnel...try going down it like I did. its not a tunnel...its a space filled with swirling light and darkness..movement through it is very rapid, not walking as you have no legs to walk...just movement...

None of this has anything to do with imagination...which is experienced in your mind and is the mental effort to make mental images...


Mikal

[melanie]

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[Mikal]

Have studied sleep paralysis and compared it to my own OBE...it is the state preceding the ability to experience the OBE state..

Yes, this is indeed the key to the apparition.

None of this has anything to do with imagination...which is experienced in your mind and is the mental effort to make mental images...

This is, of course, not the effort to try to imagine; it is the imagination just going on its own, as in a dream. As many would swear to a dream being real, so would they for an OBE. It is not just from books that OBEs are well known for what they are, but from the laboratory.

NDE: I am not really dying to go down the tunnel…

Are people who have greater imagery skills more likely to have OBEs?


OBEs might be expected to be more frequently experienced by people with the most highly developed skills of conceiving mental images if the experience is one constructed entirely from the imagination. Irwin [Irw80, 81b] was interested in whether OBEers differ from other people in terms of certain cognitive skills or ways of thinking, including imagery. He found 21 OBEers and to these he gave the 'Ways of thinking questionnaire' (WOT), the 'Differential personality questionnaire' (DPQ) and the 'Vividness of visual imagery questionnaire' (VVIQ). For each he compared the scores of the OBEers with those expected from studies of larger groups of the population.

The imagery questionnaire a self-rated measure of vividness of just visual imagery. The scores of these few OBEers were unexpectedly found to be lower than normal, and significantly so. It seems that they had less, not more, vivid imagery than the average. The next test, the WOT, aims to test the verbalizer-visualizer dimension of cognitive style. Irwin's OBEers obtained scores no different from the average. So there was no evidence that OBEers are either specially likely to use visualization or verbalization.

Although not directly relevant to the subject of imagery, the results of the DPQ were interesting. One of the various dimensions of cognitive style which it measures is 'Absorption.' This relates to a person's capacity to become absorbed in his experience. For example, someone who easily becomes immersed in nature, art or a good book or film or a computer game, to the exclusion of the outside world, would be one who scored highly on the scale of 'Absorption.' Irwin expected OBEers to be higher on this measure and that is what he found. His OBEers seemed to be better than average at becoming involved in their experiences.


OBE is body separation..feeling oneself outside the body.

NDE...near death involves the separation of a second body (double) from the physical body...(Rim, 1980) It is seeing oneself and experiencing oneself as a double of the physical body.

This is not imagination...no imagination here!!!!


Mikal

[Graybeard]

I think that once again a thread has been hi-jacked. It was supposed to be about the creation/explosion of the universe and its connection to all subsequent events.

Why don't you both just start a thread on OBE's and NDE's?

.....greg

[Mikal]

Hi Michael....if I have hijacked your thread I will be the first one to apologize and I truly am sorry as I came here to learn some things about science.

Sincerely Mikal

[austintorn@aol.com]

We can switch to this thread, where there is already some OBE/NDE stuff:

CLICK

[austintorn@aol.com]

I see that history has been indeed revised. Where's my post and a link to a thread to discuss OBEs…?

Where's my forgiveness post for the name-calling? That was a fine post.

Where's Mikal's post and the forgiveness one? Fine posts as well.