ToE for the $tarving, homele$$ and uneducated

[leskey]

OK, SB, you and I are definitely on the same wavelength - lol! I've also come to this realization that we're currently hurtling into the abyss...

This is what I see ahead (and it might well be Mikal's train) and why...starting with:

Economic

The slide is NOT over. Any upturn is strictly limited. This stage of the power-grab will see much property become government owned: real estate, manufacturing, banking...etc. What money exists has now been given away to banking and corporate czars (which includes those with interests in their corporations). There will not be any money available when the worlds largest population group the Baby Boomers are ready to retire.

The Baby Boomer generation have materialized post WW2. Their first cause was to rebel against the status quo, instead, after the sexual revolution (and some novel half-hearted greenie/vegetarian fadism) they became the self-indulgent patsies of the purveyors of the post WW2 neo-fascism or the NWO. The dream they lived was: CLICK.

They've lived large: university educations and/or entrepeneurship (aka, give-me-your-money-NOW!), big houses, new cars, every conceivable accoutrement, international travel...for their children, too! They always knew the price would be that they must provide for their own retirement during their extended and enhanced lifetimes, but (and here's the rub)...that money was never going to be there. The entire system was built on unsustainability.

So, now (unless something better can be delivered quickly), every successive generation will be delivered into the hands of another phase: economic bankruptcy = the realization of a NWO.

Then, on a positive note: CLICK

Next, science...

[SB_UK]

Exactly - *Yes* to all of your post
(both videos are reporting 'not available in your country' though I think that's something to do with my internet connection)
In real need of being understood right now (not necessarily agreed with -
- just understood).

It's hard to express the following idea in words
- because it's a feeling which others may not have experienced.
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The

abyss

is labelled money.

(i) Deep despair - because my mind won't allow me to work for money
- because I know (zero doubt) it's wrong.

Even thinking about money makes me feel unclean.

If one has absolutely no doubt that something is wrong -
- then one shouldn't do it.
However
- one has no choice.

At the deepest possible level - I know that I'm not wrong -
'money is the root of all evil'
- so the saying goes -
- though why are people able to throw off this idea and continue to 'buy in'?

If it's 'evil'
- it's wrong
- and we should develop something better.

(ii) Deep despair - because it's not possible to live without money (currently) -
especially with children.

(iii) Deep despair - because the urge to teach one's children the difference between right and wrong has to be suppressed
- because development of a deep sense of morality will ultimately bring them to the place I'm describing now -
- of complete paralysis in the face of money.
The despair is crushing -
I can't cheat - and money is all about {direct,primary,secondary} cheating of money from one person's pocket into anothers.
(which is why - if *ALL* wages were fixed - that this wouldn't be a problem
- since the incentive to cheat'd dissipate
(no personal gain could be realized eg banker bonuses, MP expenses, plumber callout fees *all* scrapped) and people'd be empowered (have their impediments raised) to behave nicely).

It's interesting to note that everything which people (generally) enjoy about life are products of labours of love.
Perform any task for money and one becomes the problem -
- ~yes~ inadvertently -
- and ~yes~ - through necessity

but there's always a way of having one's voice heard -
- and all one needs is two like-minded people without selfish motivation -
- and quality of idea'll inevitably shine through.

(iv) Deep despair as one's savings vanish,
(a) As interest rates at 0% mean that one's savings degrade with each day which passes,
(b) Where through having saved money - one loses all eligibility for help (until all of one's money has been taken),
(c) In an environment where it's next to impossible to find a job (where all jobs (in which one earns a $alary) are bad - regardless (so it's not as though availability of work particularly matters)).

There's no way out of this place.
The abuse which people exert on one another is the result of human greed -
and when one sees greed - the reaction, as one becomes sensitized to the problem -
- is violent rage.

A violent rage which doesn't counter my sense of morality -
- because my sense of morality teaches me that one must fight off repression and aspire to freedom (on a collective basis).

---ASIDE---
This is why people like Sartre became freedom fighters -
- though (and as ever) -
mind -> freedom of mind
body -> freedom of body
duality

How does one attain freedom of mind when one's body is caught up in money ?
the natural reaction to physical incarceration is physical

violent rage

reactivity.
---ASIDE---

I've also come to this realization that we're currently hurtling into the abyss...

hurtled ? (maybe)

Next, science...

Science aspires to Sense (science seeks to formalize sense).

The argument against money is provable; the problem though being that in this and only this one context -
that the proof (of necessity) need be written in an alien language -
- an alien language which although simple to learn -
- requires people to apply themselves to an area of study which their own minds repel them (instinctively*) away from.
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instinctively*
- actually an instinct - an evolutionary instinct which becoming human has been all about losing.
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Imagination of a world without money -
- to man with legacy mind
- is profoundly destabilizing.

hurtled

A place where thinking becomes difficult -
as fear takes over.

Despair -
'when all hope is gone'

hurtled

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OK, SB, you and I are definitely on the same wavelength - lol! I've also come to this realization that we're currently hurtling into the abyss...

This is what I see ahead (and it might well be Mikal's train) and why...starting with:

Economic

The slide is NOT over. Any upturn is strictly limited. This stage of the power-grab will see much property become government owned: real estate, manufacturing, banking...etc. What money exists has now been given away to banking and corporate czars (which includes those with interests in their corporations). There will not be any money available when the worlds largest population group the Baby Boomers are ready to retire.

The Baby Boomer generation have materialized post WW2. Their first cause was to rebel against the status quo, instead, after the sexual revolution (and some novel half-hearted greenie/vegetarian fadism) they became the self-indulgent patsies of the purveyors of the post WW2 neo-fascism or the NWO. The dream they lived was: CLICK.

They've lived large: university educations and/or entrepeneurship (aka, give-me-your-money-NOW!), big houses, new cars, every conceivable accoutrement, international travel...for their children, too! They always knew the price would be that they must provide for their own retirement during their extended and enhanced lifetimes, but (and here's the rub)...that money was never going to be there. The entire system was built on unsustainability.

So, now (unless something better can be delivered quickly), every successive generation will be delivered into the hands of another phase: economic bankruptcy = the realization of a NWO.

Then, on a positive note: CLICK

Next, science...

[leskey]

Hi, SB.

I haven't read all your post yet, the clips were Queen, "I Want It All" and Foo Fighters "Times Like These" .

Science

WW2 saw the greatest advancements in technology/science that history has ever seen. The subsequent on-going rise and rise of all fields of scientific endeavour was co-ordinated with all aspects of ecomonic growth: manufacturing and industry, commerce and trade, consumerism... more consumerism... In addition, the decline of religious constraint in the West co-incided with wider acceptance of the doctrine of evolution. This has inevitably lead to an increasing irrelevance of ethics, morals and values in all apsects of society. While this has removed taboos and delivered the freedom to interfere with, experiment upon and exploit nature at every level, it has also had inevitable ramifications. The legacy of pure excess, neatly coupled with a surruptitious erosion of individual freedom has lead to an increase in fear that interlaces every perceived gain, ie. the clear and present danger in all aspects of modern life: environmental guilt complex, health guilt complex, sociological and religious guilt complex...Reassuringly, our demo(n)cratic and paternalistic governments are there to protect us from the consequences of our careless and irresponsible behaviour...or not...

If it was this clear 35 years ago, why didn't anything change? CLICK (If the link doesn't work, its Pink Floyd "Brain Damage" and "Eclipse" .

So, having been herded though the portals of the hedonistic dream, the voracious Baby Boomers and their endangered progeny are now facing the nightmare mincer of reality: it was, is, will always be unsustainable. Meanwhile, on the other side of the electified, perimeter fence, the rest of the world has been reproducing...and, hungrily awaiting their turn...Again (unless something better can be delivered quickly), every successive generation will be delivered into the hands of a new phase: environmental and genetic bankruptcy = the realization of a NWO.

[SB_UK]

Exactly again -
two comments.

(1) 'This has inevitably lead to an increasing irrelevance of ethics, morals and values in all apsects of society.'
I think I'd express this idea as -
- increased complexity of interaction has resulted in a failure in workability of codifications of morality -
and placed greater reliance on the individual.

The transition (as one would expect) in reliance (by society) from formal legal regulations to personal individual morality (~ie~ for the better) has caused problems.

The law has become too difficult for people to understand -
and personal morality (in human dealings) -
- has fallen foul of differences between people.

Convergence in morality occurs as people tend towards minds replete (filled) with an understanding of more of the world within which they (we) live.

I'm trying to suggest that morality is a function of true
education.

Education requires understanding and not simple retention of facts -

'to be human is to ask why?'

- understanding results from associative links being laid down between 'observational' data -
- true morality (then) (like intelligence)
- as the consequence of a properly built mind.

(2) '...environmental and genetic bankruptcy = the realization of a NWO.'

I'd see this as a new world order (by default)
- though that a New World Order (proper) can only arise (be used as description) -
- if engineered.

The term 'New World Order' is often associated with an elite few who seek to dominate the dealings of normal people for their own personal agenda -
can't be true though -

:: most likely ::
an elite few who seek to dominate the dealings of normal people for the benefit of normal people
:: maybe though ::
an elite few who seek to dominate the dealings of normal people for the benefit of normal people (though not being too sure whether their efforts would work)
:: least likely ::
an elite few who seek to dominate the dealings of normal people for their own personal agenda -
- though who inadvertently improved the World for normal people because of 'reactionary' which 'action' elicits.

Hi, SB.
I haven't read all your post yet, the clips were Queen, "I Want It All" and Foo Fighters "Times Like These" .
Science
WW2 saw the greatest advancements in technology/science that history has ever seen. The subsequent on-going rise and rise of all fields of scientific endeavour was co-ordinated with all aspects of ecomonic growth: manufacturing and industry, commerce and trade, consumerism... more consumerism... In addition, the decline of religious constraint in the West co-incided with wider acceptance of the doctrine of evolution. This has inevitably lead to an increasing irrelevance of ethics, morals and values in all apsects of society. While this has removed taboos and delivered the freedom to interfere with, experiment upon and exploit nature at every level, it has also had inevitable ramifications. The legacy of pure excess, neatly coupled with a surruptitious erosion of individual freedom has lead to an increase in fear that interlaces every perceived gain, ie. the clear and present danger in all aspects of modern life: environmental guilt complex, health guilt complex, sociological and religious guilt complex...Reassuringly, our demo(n)cratic and paternalistic governments are there to protect us from the consequences of our careless and irresponsible behaviour...or not...
If it was this clear 35 years ago, why didn't anything change? CLICK (If the link doesn't work, its Pink Floyd "Brain Damage" and "Eclipse" .
So, having been herded though the portals of the hedonistic dream, the voracious Baby Boomers and their endangered progeny are now facing the nightmare mincer of reality: it was, is, will always be unsustainable. Meanwhile, on the other side of the electified, perimeter fence, the rest of the world has been reproducing...and, hungrily awaiting their turn...Again (unless something better can be delivered quickly), every successive generation will be delivered into the hands of a new phase: environmental and genetic bankruptcy = the realization of a NWO.

[SB_UK]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group

"To say we were striving for a one-world government is exaggerated, but not wholly unfair. Those of us in Bilderberg felt we couldn't go on forever fighting one another for nothing and killing people and rendering millions homeless. So we felt that a single community throughout the world would be a good thing."

one~world

- the reason why people were not
(until now) -
ready for a one~World community is interesting.

(Insight gained into the clockwork machinery of the mind).

Holistic global economic collapse will rather focus the minds of people
and
- will cause us to mobilize fear (at long last) - towards some positive outcome
- will help us to look up from our drab daily lives.

~*~

What once was feared -
will shortly be welcomed.

[melanie]

Hi all.

Just a quicky, on how crazy the money system has become.

I recently purchased a small electrical item worth £15 at the store.

I was asked if i wanted to take out .. wait for it ''Insurance'' for my product..lol huh??

Most products are guaranteed for a year anyway..
so basically did i want to live in fear that the product might fail, and i'd have no insurance to replace it?
Or do i just not worry about that, because the product is guaranteed for a year anyway.

My point is... why not build all products to be enduring that last and last in the first place,
then we wouldn't have to keep replacing stuff and polluting our precious environment with our useless poorly built stuff.

Mind you, consumer demand, always call for more ever increasing technologically advanced state of the art stuff anyway..
why, too bored with the old model, let's just cast off that old worn out piece of junk now and live in a throw away society.
Too much consumer demand causes sloppy workmanship, not to mention damage to the environment.
Sod the environment,hey and we can even throw away our personal partnership relations if we get too bored with them....
why,because that would be much easier wouldn't it, than actually having to make an effort to work-out some sort of solution to any problem...
No, what do do?, we just replace one old problem with a new one... easy!
This has been my observation anyway...

Poor old mother earth, what she has to put up with eh?

[SB_UK]

~

I agree.

It'd be nice to pass on any items when we've finished -
currently though most of what we have (for the kiddies) doesn't last it through the month.

#3 @ 2's close to first words were 'broken' 'fix it' 'batteries?'
- I have 5 shades of Duct tape -
one for each season.

[Mikal]

Hi all.

Just a quicky, on how crazy the money system has become.

I recently purchased a small electrical item worth £15 at the store.

I was asked if i wanted to take out .. wait for it ''Insurance'' for my product..lol huh??

Most products are guaranteed for a year anyway..
so basically did i want to live in fear that the product might fail, and i'd have no insurance to replace it?
Or do i just not worry about that, because the product is guaranteed for a year anyway.

My point is... why not build all products to be enduring that last and last in the first place,
then we wouldn't have to keep replacing stuff and polluting our precious environment with our useless poorly built stuff.

Mind you, consumer demand, always call for more ever increasing technologically advanced state of the art stuff anyway..
why, too bored with the old model, let's just cast off that old worn out piece of junk now and live in a throw away society.
Too much consumer demand causes sloppy workmanship, not to mention damage to the environment.
Sod the environment,hey and we can even throw away our personal partnership relations if we get too bored with them....
why,because that would be much easier wouldn't it, than actually having to make an effort to work-out some sort of solution to any problem...
No, what do do?, we just replace one old problem with a new one... easy!
This has been my observation anyway...

Poor old mother earth, what she has to put up with eh?

Quite remarkable realizations Mel, the entire objective of globalism was to manipulate the economic force that pushes and pulls us from job and lifestyle to mode of living.
One of their main objectives was to rid the economy of craftsmanship. In their view, things that last for eons are not money or profit makers. Insurance packages and repair packages are just incentive programs to make more money as you are using the product.
The whole goal of globalism is constant consumerism, constant slavery in the job market and the sphere of employee to employer as big corp is the part of the whole scheme of purchasing power that is most vulnerable to be tampered with. Why pay big salary and wages when you can move things to smaller, under-developed nations with less laws around production?? They figured that out when they were creating free trade.
With globalism we have near ruined the earth, we have been trapped in endless low-paying jobs ensured to be part-time so benefits could be worked out of the scheme of things. I know people who have to work 4 jobs just to survive but to big corp. you are just a number on a file they factor into the profit theme....
They recently froze our wage for two years....at a meeting I spoke out and ask if they were going to freeze the cost of living...the room went silent and managers went mute....I guess your not supposed to ask those kinds of questions...



Mikal

[melanie]

Good points made by all.

The Plastic issue is of grave concern.
Plastic toys being the worst offenders.

The world is corrupt, no doubt about that, it's definitely make or break time.

The ''cycle'' repeats.......endlessly!!!!!




Help!! let me out!

Look-in for answers!!!!

[SB_UK]

Can I just ask ?
how do you stop yourselves flying into a rage when you see or are a victim of some kinda' legally acceptable scam ?

We've just been caught by the terms 'Estimate' and 'Quotation' from a builder
- which we hadn't realised weren't synonymous

- the guy added an extra 1/3 onto his original 'Estimate/Quote' after completing the work
- and it's at this point that we discover that his original Estimate/Quote of £2603.22 was not fixed.

I mention that I'd asked for a Quote -
- he states (at this point) that he doesn't give Quotes - only Estimates.

I ask him why his Estimate is so accurate -
~£2500 would have alerted me to the difference between an Estimate and a Quotation -
- instead of his figure of £2603.22 (£ accurate)

and he chooses not to answer.

http://www.extensionbuild.co.uk/obta...ion-build.html

Before you engage any builders, tradesmen or other contractors on your home extension project, you should have agreement over how much they are going to charge you, by obtaining a quote or an estimate.
Which are two words that mean pretty much the same thing, right? Wrong. A quotation (to give it its full name) and an estimate are slightly, but crucially different in law and it's a distinction that it's important to understand, as it will help if things go wrong later on in the build.

Great advice there
- sadly though discovered too late -

- in order to look one needs to suspect (which we didn't) that when one asks for a Quote that the figure which one receives is potentially meaningless.

My own personal sense of morality wouldn't allow me to mislead people in that way.

~*~

- life seems to be all about learning how not to trust people.

I'm hoping that this is the sordid part of our history which we're shortly due to be pushing to one side

- more than hoping
in actual fact -
- needing.

The rage
?moral outrage
becomes more violent with each passing day.

It's too easy for people 'in the know' to bully other people out of their money -
by simply keeping people out of the picture -

inventing a new language (industry slang) appears to be the most commonly used method of 'keeping people out'

- a group maximizes profits by witholding protocols, equipment, know-how ... ... ...
from others

- and it's for this(these) reason(s)
that
we need to introduce one fixed wage to all in a one world currency guaranteed from birth to death -

- to prevent repetition of such abusive behaviours
- to prevent people ring-fencing areas of community functioning for
selfish (their group context) greed.

Make the currency purely virtual and have all financial transactions visible online such that I'd be able to see (if I choose) each time little Jerome from no. 12 Paris,Texas spends 10 e-cents down at his local corner shop on banana flavoured alsugar free gum.

Yawn - Money's dull -
- like cooking -

(where all that matters is generating a technology which permits perfect 'portable' Virtual Reality (sound and light) and free energy to power our 'Porti-'ooo la la'-Projjies'
alongside
(of course)
a hefty great bandwidth allocation
- all three of which

(I'm close to sure) -

're there al'ready.

It'd be a labour of love to generate all of the above to the physicist

- we should only ever need to have to engage in activities which we enjoy -
- we make our own (are responsible for our own) reality now

(after all).

(ref. ADDF::Nova)