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    Re: ToE for the $tarving, homele$$ and uneducated

    Quote Originally Posted by SB_UK View Post
    I think I'd express this idea as -
    - increased complexity of interaction has resulted in a failure in workability of codifications of morality -
    and placed greater reliance on the individual.

    The transition (as one would expect) in reliance (by society) from formal legal regulations to personal individual morality (~ie~ for the better) has caused problems.

    The law has become too difficult for people to understand -
    and personal morality (in human dealings) -
    - has fallen foul of differences between people.
    The criminally-minded are all too cognizant of the law, while the average, law-abiding person has only a vague cognizance of the law and yet, ironically, ignorance is no defence in the eyes of the law...

    Quote Originally Posted by SB_UK View Post
    Convergence in morality occurs as people tend towards minds replete (filled) with an understanding of more of the world within which they (we) live.
    Quote Originally Posted by SB_UK View Post

    I'm trying to suggest that morality is a function of true
    education.

    Education requires understanding and not simple retention of facts -

    - understanding results from associative links being laid down between 'observational' data -
    - true morality (then) (like intelligence)
    - as the consequence of a properly built mind.
    Exactly, SB.

    Quote Originally Posted by SB_UK View Post
    I'd see this as a new world order (by default)
    Quote Originally Posted by SB_UK View Post
    - though that a New World Order (proper) can only arise (be used as description) -
    - if engineered.

    The term 'New World Order' is often associated with an elite few who seek to dominate the dealings of normal people for their own personal agenda -
    can't be true though -
    Based on the track record of those who seek to govern to date, why not?

    Quote Originally Posted by SB_UK View Post

    What once was feared -
    will shortly be welcomed.
    I'm not so sure...As ever with politics, it's a tough little gig, but a humble few have to trip around the world staying in luxury hotels and planning the future of the entire planet's population...

    Quote Originally Posted by SB_UK View Post
    how do you stop yourselves flying into a rage when you see or are a victim of some kinda' legally acceptable scam ?
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    We've just been caught by the terms 'Estimate' and 'Quotation' from a builder
    - which we hadn't realised weren't synonymous

    I mention that I'd asked for a Quote -
    - he states (at this point) that he doesn't give Quotes - only Estimates.

    I ask him why his Estimate is so accurate -
    ~£2500 would have alerted me to the difference between an Estimate and a Quotation -
    - instead of his figure of £2603.22 (£ accurate)

    and he chooses not to answer.

    - in order to look one needs to suspect (which we didn't) that when one asks for a Quote that the figure which one receives is potentially meaningless.

    My own personal sense of morality wouldn't allow me to mislead people in that way.

    ~*~

    - life seems to be all about learning how not to trust people.

    I'm hoping that this is the sordid part of our history which we're shortly due to be pushing to one side

    - more than hoping
    in actual fact -
    - needing

    The rage
    ?moral outrage
    becomes more violent with each passing day.

    Rage/outrage allows an unconscionable fraudster to have control over the life and well-being of your family.

    Traps for young players:

    The professional (in any field) should have to uphold a mandatory Duty of Care to ensure their clients are fully informed. The professional deals with the intricacies and specifics of their job, day-in/day-out. They should have an obligation to make sure their clients are aware of the pitfalls. As with the law, the average person deals with the various professions infrequently and is easy prey for the ethically challenged.

    I agree, the Duty of Care should be integrated into education systems.

    (That said, though, on large projects, some clients are so clueless and make so many changes that it becomes very difficult for a contractor to keep track of the ramifications of each change UNTIL all the costs are in...)
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    Re: ToE for the $tarving, homele$$ and uneducated

    Based on the track record of those who seek to govern to date, why not?
    In just a sentence -

    ... because the elite need to live here (the planet) too -

    and if we imagine a World
    (deliberately exaggerated image to follow) -
    in which 1% own 99.99% and the 'rest' just kinda' scrape by

    - that the 'rest' will
    (maybe after a little while) -
    though *will* revolt (without question) -

    and things will 'get ugly'.
    This is the generalized pattern describing human history.

    The violent attacks on predominantly white landowners in South Africa and Rhodesia from predominantly black citizens (a few years ago) -
    springs to mind.

    The legacy (remnants) of Imperialism discarded through 'bloody' endeavour.

    We have a tendency (which will complete) towards equality
    (on the physical level) -
    where the final stage in realising that equality comes in the final 'showdown'
    - between the ultra-rich ruling elite and the rest.

    ~*~

    If the rest can prove (without any shadow of a doubt) that we must share physical resources equitably
    to realise fair society -
    - then we must.

    We're about at that place now -
    - unfairness in distribution of money is provably wrong -
    as attested to (thankfully and at long last) by our current economic crisis.

    The madness (of rise in human greed) -
    - has been exposed over the post WWII period -
    was the drive forcing globalization,
    mirroring growth in the global population,
    which was the actual basis to 'year on year' growth rates of (of course unsustainable) 10-14% in the UK and USA stock exchanges.

    The entire post-WWII (post-Victorian? 20th century?) economic bubble has reflected growth in the world population.

    The current economic crisis relates to the point at which we're at (currently) on the rate of growth in global population curve.
    It was possible to predict this current crash.

    This current economic crisis will (shortly) expose (to the unequivocal understanding by all)
    a
    fundamental unrecoverable flaw in the global financial system which permitted financial organizations to expand the amount of money in circulation -
    in effect
    - compounding the availability of money -
    simultaneously devaluing all existing money
    - fuelling (artificially and unsustainably) economic growth
    - driving increased polarization between the rich and poor -

    - though
    (as we shall soon find out)
    - completely intentionally
    (a planned process from the minds of the ruling elite)

    - to engineer oppression which we would counter, by our species
    (itself)
    becoming better.

    ~*~

    Based on the track record of those who seek to govern to date, why not?
    This is one of those very rare occasions where we can't use precedent.
    An analogy would be some 30,000 years ago -
    - when an evolutionary speciation event generated the human mind -
    an unprecedented deliverable
    'something new'
    - where the novel emergent property (in keeping with all emergent properties) -
    represented a novel characteristic which was bestowed by the Lord of Mathematical Physics
    - generating 'something' from 'nothing'

    a novel characteristic
    - greater than the sum of progenitor parts.
    [ nothing other than killing money the law the savage within (original sin) matters ]

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    Re: ToE for the $tarving, homele$$ and uneducated

    ps

    I agree with all of your points -
    and you've picked up on the major point
    (the nature of the motivation of the ruling elite)
    which I've found is hardest to convey.

    Melanie attached a David Icke presentation recently -
    and there also he portrayed the ruling elite as being driven by malign intentions.

    The distinction which needs to be made here -
    (to clarify our global mindspace for this seeming contradiction)
    - is that the impression of malevolence was (of necessity) - the intention.

    ~*~

    We shall 'overcome' -
    relies on a force being presented against which we're forced to overcome -

    - where we can't overcome 'to better' -
    if we're slouched in front of the TV watching 're-runs' -

    - the intelligence which has operated at the very highest level of the ruling elite -
    --- sought ---
    to create the appearance of a malevolent ruling body - with pillow cases over their heads and cuddly devils instead of teddy bears -
    - such that
    we'd be driven to have nightmares of the pillow porting devil worshipping OmniPortances swooping (doors raised and flapping) down in their customized Lamborghinis to devour our youth -
    - if we so little as think any thought which might possibly be construed as 'bad' about 'em .

    ooo! they bad.

    ~*~

    Fear
    - 'we have nothing to fear but fear itself'
    - the worst that anybody can do is kill ya' -
    and as far as I can see -
    life is not (currently at least) worth living
    - and so ... ... ...

    Change
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow
    The record ends,
    and we begin again.
    [ nothing other than killing money the law the savage within (original sin) matters ]

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    Re: ToE for the $tarving, homele$$ and uneducated

    Quote Originally Posted by melanie View Post
    The Plastic issue is of grave concern.
    Plastic toys being the worst offenders.
    Toys R'us (as with all toy retailers) sell brightly coloured plastic media franchise merchandise.

    Great that the rise of computers'll (particularly the Wii tendency to back the computer back into the real world with wireless controllers) wipe plastic toys offa' the surface of the planet.

    Virtual (software),Wooden,clockwork toys last
    - plastic and battery operated toys don't -

    standard batteries appear to be programmed to leak a few days after Christmas .
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    Re: ToE for the $tarving, homele$$ and uneducated

    Quote Originally Posted by SB_UK View Post
    Toys R'us (as with all toy retailers) sell brightly coloured plastic media franchise merchandise.

    Great that the rise of computers'll (particularly the Wii tendency to back the computer back into the real world with wireless controllers) wipe plastic toys offa' the surface of the planet.

    Virtual (software),Wooden,clockwork toys last
    - plastic and battery operated toys don't -

    standard batteries appear to be programmed to leak a few days after Christmas .

    It's the WAY ....
    ''I AM programmed to function...'' Lily Allen

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-wGMlSuX_c


    ...If you always do what you always did, you always get what you always got.

    I want the things I don't want.

    I want what I can't have.

    I don't want what I have.


    To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
    Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
    To the last syllable of recorded time;
    And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
    The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
    Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
    That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
    And then is heard no more. It is a tale
    Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
    Signifying nothing.
    Shakespeare.


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    Re: ToE for the $tarving, homele$$ and uneducated

    Quote Originally Posted by melanie View Post
    To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
    Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
    To the last syllable of recorded time;
    And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
    The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
    Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
    That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
    And then is heard no more. It is a tale
    Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
    Signifying nothing.
    ==
    Quote Originally Posted by Marvin the android
    ... ... so very bored
    ... brain the size of a planet
    and what ?!* do they get me doing ?
    Quote Originally Posted by independent observer
    'all the same'
    Quote Originally Posted by Marvin's mate Mos
    'and if the day came when I felt a natural emotion,
    I'd get such a shock I'd probably jump in the ocean'
    Quote Originally Posted by independent observer
    'all the same'
    Quote Originally Posted by Marvin and Mos (in unison)
    ... ... so very bored
    ...s...i...g...h...
    Last edited by SB_UK; 05-21-2009 at 08:45 AM. Reason: I can neither read nor write :-(
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    Re: ToE for the $tarving, homele$$ and uneducated

    I'd see this as a new world order (by default)
    - though that a New World Order (proper) can only arise (be used as description) -
    - if engineered. (Quote by SB UK)


    The New World order has been engineered and this has been going on since the creation of the period which led to the Holocaust. To create a New World Order is only possible if you can (through social engineering) change the foundational base of existing societies.

    After Hitler through Operation Paperclip, Nazi Scientists, Nazi Medical personnel, psychological and psychiatric warfare experts, members of the Gehlen Organization were covertly imported through false identities into the United States, Canada and other countries. These people wound up holding impressive executive positions in American Industry, principally high technology firms in the aerospace and military hardware industries. (Peter Levenda, author of Sinister Forces.)

    The Military Industrial Complex is like a huge umbrella covering many things but principally affecting our societies’ in a very grave way is the drug industry and the vaccine industry.

    Before social engineering we were a family and religion/God based society. Now, we are a medical, scientific, psychological and psychiatrically based society.
    To change our foundational base there had to be a covert attack against the Family, religion and the idea of God and creation.
    The Feminist Movement began the attack on the family and the Psychological Therapeutic Movement finished it.
    The Psychological Therapeutic Movement was also used to change the teaching mandate in all levels of education from University, College to Grade School. The Mandate went from learning to the ideology of Behavior Modification.
    Darwin, the New Age Movement and the Literary Movement were pushed and steered to destroy religion and the idea of God and creation (transformation in knowledge infrastructure.) Factory Industry had to collapse so the scientific knowledge base could explode in all directions so Globalism would root and prosper. There must be knowledge based economies.
    Very learned psychologists knew how to break down and reorganize the role structure of society and the psychological role structure inside our heads. The Media Movement has loomed large in this engineering.
    Boundaries were smashed between life at home and life at the job. Sexual boundaries had to be loosened. The core center of political society had to be about “interest groups.” There had to be political correctness to take societies’ voice away.

    This is just a skeletal structure of the engineering movement which would take forever to explain because in its entirety it reveals a shadow, low functioning government which acts like puppets on strings held by huge corporational power and greed, societal institutions barely functioning, a corrupted justice system and an
    Educational system interlocked with outside psychological offices and institutions which seek to drug even the children.

    Need we panic?? We need strength, integrity and courage to live in our present world. We need to support thousands involved in a peaceful social revolution to change our present situation. We especially need to love and support one another to find our way back to a saner civilization……



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    Re: ToE for the $tarving, homele$$ and uneducated

    Great post, Mikal. You've nailed it very succinctly!
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    Re: ToE for the $tarving, homele$$ and uneducated

    Arrrghhh!
    feel the pain

    - lost a large post to closing the main browser window instead of the 'smilies' [More] popup.

    Never have fully trusted those lil' over-emotional creeps, and now I know why.



    ~*~

    Apologies for not replying with more words (immediately), then -
    - the post which I've just lost was simply a list of reasons why we're mistaking the

    nice engineered NWO (which'll lead to a better world)
    for the
    bad default nwo (which won't)

    An attempt to summarise the post in 1 line:

    Human beings contain a legacy module called
    {greed,selfishness,evil,desire}
    which being human has been all about
    educating
    ourselves away from.
    If a human being harbouring
    {greed,selfishness,evil,desire}
    meets another -
    - then no matter how good their initial intentions -
    their plans will eventually fall foul of creating a system where the 'haves' are on their team -
    and where the rest (by definition) will 'have not'.

    I am trying to suggest that since this is the default tendency
    - that -
    multiple organizations will spring up built upon the same flaw -
    - which'll make it appear as though the various groups share common (human,centralised) co-ordination.

    From this idea then -
    we see the origins (within the minds of people) of the group which has been (up until now) feared when we consider the 'architects of the NWO'

    - the illusion that the seeming abuse of person on person -
    the seeming organized abuse of group on group -
    is organized centrally
    (by a small group of malignant rich people) -

    - when in actual fact -
    it's just that

    - an illusion put forth by a weakness of mind -
    a weakness which is lost when we connect the dots and see that a consistent world view makes it wholly illogical to conclude that the disintegration of human society (as observed currently) -
    - is the intentional deliverable by some guys -
    - to maintain control.

    Perhaps intentionally driven by some guys -
    not though for their own (explicitly stated) selfish benefit (alone) -
    - instead,
    quite the opposite -
    to empower (all of) us
    (through moral outrage)
    - to take control.

    An attempt to summarise the post in 1 line:
    1 [long] line?

    ~*~

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    (apparent loss of bilateral symmetry in the pineal gland)
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    Re: ToE for the $tarving, homele$$ and uneducated

    Default nwo 'divides and conquers' and doesn't ever get very far -
    Organized NWO unifies.

    The difference is in philosophy of process -
    where 'divide and conquer' is not the correct approach -
    because when it happens -
    people revolt.

    Unification
    - however -
    results in the same 'deliverable' -
    except through voluntary convergence as opposed to oppressive mechanism.

    ~*~

    People are born by ~definition~ good -
    our problem is that society then makes us bad.

    Political, economic and legal Union will correct society for the animal
    within -
    leaving our society
    without -
    re-aligned from its mal-aligning influence.
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