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    Re: Help

    Don't jump in the pit, just throw them a rope- Help

    This planet is full of people who, from a better place such as heaven, saw their friends and loved ones suffering, had decided it was better to jump in the pit rather than lend them a rope. If a rescue rope were dropped, would they see it?

    Once in the pit, (life on earth), they quickly forgot their help decision from a higher place as they became overwhelmed with same problems and sufferings of their friends and loved ones. If someone from a higher place were lowering down a rope to them, they may not see it.

    Men try to help women with their rage, and women try to help men with their grief. Both men and women get emotionally sucked into the pit, suffering from a failure to help each other. They each take on the slings and arrows of the other's debt as a way of help.
    An excellent point has been made here.

    We are, for the most part, genetically programmed to be helpful, for our contribution will usually come back around, hence "pass it forward."

    Likewise, the universe offers many avenues to help, do we but know how to ask, where to look, and be willing to add some sweat equity.

    The most difficult decision in helping another, is finding the appropriate avenue to assist.

    Remember the Prime Directive from the TV series, "Star Trek", the directive of "non-interference"?

    The same applies to ourselves, in that we cannot live the life of another, and each individual must be free to choose, even when that choice may not be the wisest, from our own perspective.

    (There are a few exceptions. It is generally accepted that we may choose to save our own life or attempt to prevent great willful harm being done to others.)

    In offering help, we need be wary of getting drawn ever deeper into the trials of another, where we eventually abdicate our own journey and confound even more, the journey of others.

    Interesting to observe, that assistance when needed, is greatly appreciated, while help that interferes with the independant decisions of another, before long, is resented.

    In the situations where assistance becomes co-dependence, the relationship can descend even further into self-loathing and resent of the person(s) upon whom one is dependant.

    We must respect and preserve each others unique relationship to the experience of life ....

    From a post by Jag,

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    Fill each other's cup but drink not from
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    Give one another of your bread but eat
    not from the same loaf.
    Sing and dance together and be joyous,
    but let each one of you be alone.
    Even as the strings of a lute are alone
    though they quiver with the same music."

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    Re: Help



    Helpless

    One of the things that encourages me to maintain my 9-5 job is the fear of being homeless. I pay on my mortgage every month with the thought of having fortune enough to have a job, even though I am underemployed because of the economic downturn. The homeless keep me pursuing my lifestyle as a deterrent to their lifestyle....Is this their help to me?

    This seems to be a meager offering to the sustainability of our society. It is as though the poor and homeless are maintained in our structure to keep the middle and working class, working. It is a way of controlled help, a fixture for the rich elite to keep them on top. So, maybe, by helping themselves, the elite helps me by keeping me with just enough to maintain my lifestyle.

    As for the truly helpless, do they on some level choose this condition as a form of living. Do the gods really want the souls of men and women to suffer under helplessness? I would think not. So, why is helplessness such a common feeling during everyday life, and so common a sight on our streets? It must be present for a reason.

    Since help is inherent in the physical universe and has immediate response, helplessness must be it's anti position.
    The helpless secure a corrosive and vehement response to true help. If the helpless asks for a dollar, a proper help response may not be to give them that dollar. The given dollar may just maintain their helplessness. Most often, they don't want help. They take up the opposing position to the "helped" or the "helpful". They endure the extreme pressures that the physical universe offers by repelling the offered help.
    They will scream in defiance of the physical universe as it offers it's help to them. To the death, and they are dying, they will maintain their position against the physical universe and it's generosity. The suffering continues as the helpless dies in a downward spiral of self rightness against life.

    They become the heros of the dark path of the underworld, not in choosing evilness, but in choosing a path against the flow of the helpful physical universe. The helpless will maintain their rightness as they become darker, possibly forever..... unless they choose a change of helpfulness.

    The helpless may hold on to old thoughts, beliefs, ideas, reasons, theories, anger and grief, as a way of feeling and identifying with life. The helpless will not let go, so as to not to be wrong or invalid. They will carry these old thoughts, beliefs and emotions with them so as to be right. We may have an abundance of rightness people, instead of healthy people of wisdom, walking our streets.

    Let the helpless be right. Don't get sucked in to their world of helplessness....
    Time uncovered brings new insights.

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    Re: Help

    The Yukon has it's share of homeless and street people, as has anywhere. In a relatively small community, some of the characters are well known to the majority of permanent residents, and a certain set of behaviours will be tolerated, while others are not.

    One individual, let's call him 'Jerry', was known for hanging around the shopping centers, panhandling. Others would offer to help you with your groceries, or return your shopping cart for the $1.00 return at the cart lock.

    New to my workplace, I had not yet heard of Jerry, and one morning after shift, I was waiting for my vehicle to warm up, when he came over to try his luck with me. He was pleasant and non-threatening and proceeded to tell me that the local Salvation Army had kindly fed him soup the night before, but they were not yet open and he would really, really like some money for something to eat, and a hot coffee.

    I've rubbed shoulders with people from many walks of life, and I've seen lean times also, yet something about story and the body language didn't jive. In this nearly cashless society, I seldom carry any coin, but I did have a tray of muffins that I had purchased, and I offered him a muffin or two, as he had stated that he was hungry. He declined my offer and continued on his way. Later I learned that he was a constant irritant to the customers and that management was continually being called to ask Gerry to move on.

    Finally, after many months of such conduct, the manager offer Gerry a job on night crew, doing simple labour. Gerry only lasted two hours before requesting to leave.

    The man is quite intelligent, presentable and physically capable. He doesn't come across as "down-trodden", and yet he chooses to live on the streets, rather than acknowledge the fetters of employment.

    Another that I met, chooses to live very humbly on a small stipend that he receives, and gets by, renting a shack off the beaten track, and expends most of his energy in procuring firewood, getting water, and practicing his wilderness skills. He does not wish to work at a 'job'.

    The 'give and take' exchange of our society does not appeal to everyone, and the challenge, then, is to determine what help is appropriate to give when an individual is capable of helping themself, yet chooses otherwise.

    Those with physical, psychological and substance addiction concerns, present even greater challenge for any individual, organization or agent of change to assist.

    You make interesting societal comment, Timeparticle.

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    Re: Help



    Misunderstanding Help-

    Misunderstanding veers us off from the purpose. When we read an article or story, we often come across a word or phrase that we don't fully understand. We quickly move across the word, somewhat or fully ignoring it's meaning as we press forward to finish the story. But as we conclude the story, we feel incomplete or not sure of what the author is trying to convey. As we continue to read the story, after the misunderstood word, we block, suppress, and even forget what we didn't understand so that we may complete the story.

    In life, we do the same thing. As the physical universe is ever helpful in giving us the much assistance we need throughout our day, we may come across some help or input we don't understand. As the day progresses, we feel a little off, as the misunderstanding sits in the back of our minds and takes away from our moment experiences. The help was given to us, but we failed to receive it because of a misunderstanding.
    As the compassionate universe continues to repeat the help that was not understood in the first place, a similar out of sync feeling will be repeated in our own minds. We may notice a pattern developing in our lives, but, because of the continued misunderstanding, we will not know how to resolve the pattern of feelings.

    Our lives will feel unresolved with a buildup of misunderstood help. We will begin to feel stupid and insecure about our environment and withdraw from joy and understanding. We see others around us doing the same thing and joke about it.
    It becomes a running joke of how complicated life is and how stupid and insignificant we are as compared to the rest of the universe. We find this agreement with others and we all surround ourselves with others who have misunderstood life as much as us. We find comfort in the misery of togetherness as we party with the agreement of others that it is too hard to really look and to understand the physical universe, so why should we?

    We decide that it is better not to accept the complicated help the physical offers and drink... to forget. Forgetting feels better as the discomfort of unresolved help dims. We drug ourselves to deaden the discomfort and drink to withdraw into a more quiet, darker place of mediocrity.... as we have great agreement from our chosen friends..... so we must be right.

    It may be better to sit down in a quiet place and relax to learn about the help offered during each day. Unraveling the misunderstanding may bring great joy and understanding, but something blocks us from doing that. We may be without our friends agreement if we learn about the help offered. We may be in great disagreement with our chosen friends and this may bring about a friendless lifestyle for us. We may lose our friends because they will see and feel a change in us. We may fear to be alone. We may fear to be secure and happy because we might discover the true reason why our friends are misunderstanding life. We may rather not know so as to be not alone. Misunderstanding becomes the norm. We make movies about it. We write stories about it. We blog about it. We suffer together about it. We never move away from it.

    Misunderstanding help from the physical universe becomes our way of life.

    Of course, all the many choices after misunderstanding are really only just choices. We do not have to make such choices in our lives....

    Time uncovered brings new insights.

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    Re: Help

    Hi TP....help from the Universe is a very interesting idea. Do you think it has a connect to snychronicity and one's ability to realize they are experiencing a synchronistic moment of help by the Universe?

    Recently I had a strange experience. First Leskey mentioned a book I might like to read and another person emailed me as to another book. I then went on a hunt for the two books but to my disappointment discovered none of our bookstores were carrying either book. I was focused in the search and then let it go! That was a Friday.

    The next week on Wednesday I went to the laundry room to do my weekly laundry and there on the give-away table lay the one book. Not a mark on it, not a turned earmark on any page. It was brand new!
    Then on Friday I went to my daughter's cottage for a visit. There was a downpour and because the screened in porch was loaded with people I retired inside with some of my grandchildren. My daughter yelled in that there was a box beside the VCR with some movies and afew books if I wanted something to wile away the storm. I checked the box and the first book I pulled out was the other book that I could not find.

    Those moments meant something only to me.....again I wondered about if the Universe helps us....smiles...and I have had tons of these experiences...


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    Re: Help

    This is similar to some thought of mine previously also in that I realized searching for new knowledge or information simply just to have the "new thing" ended up being valueless and having no purpose (like keeping up with the Jones and then you find out the things they picked aren't the things you want).

    Along a similar line as your "universe provides help" idea, I've enjoyed designing and engineering things, and I like learning new possible algorithms or techniques of computing something etc. but there came a point where these algorithms were well beyond anything I was likely to be using for quite a while.

    And I had a thought that even if some infinite library of all possible knowledge was completely open to check out anything I wanted to and build anything using that, it wouldn't matter at all unless I had determined values and goals by which choices could be made relative to them.

    I might have vaguely understood this before, but not really "felt" it in the gut until I actually began reaching that point and then it became obvious.

    And yes, the universe the whole time was scratching me and giving me itches along the way to collect those values and directions because it new ahead of time that I'd need them later.

    It wasn't comfortable and there were many times when I recognized I'd sabotauged myself in some way, but I think something deep down knew that none of those things were really what I wanted and so nudges here and there, not always enjoyable at the time, kept pushing me toward something better (and yes, ultimately I'm pretty sure these were decisions I'd already made at some point).

    And now looking back, there were probably a lot of shortcuts that could have been taken, but the purpose wasn't really to take the shortcuts but to collect a lot of things along the way and know where the paths are and which walls are solid and which walls have some room to flex and build a broad foundation for the future and after finally recognizing it, it was like having my own personal first person experience of seeing the stars align (It's just neat to finally have my own personal understanding of things that many people have said along the way that I never really understood well)

    Anyway, there's still a ton of learning and more curves and twists. I don't think the intent is to change the universe, but to learn and change onesself - the universe has its purpose and always will, just like a school, but it's seems time to graduate and begin changing my own life (and "bring along my own version of things") instead of waiting for life to teach me anything more - I'm going to move to a new vantage point to get a broader view in life, take a little summer vacation for a while (what's the point without that?) and then rinse and repeat .

    But yes, there was a first step and there was a path behind it and there has been a purpose and I'm just glad to see it more clearly (In some ways I know I made a lot of things harder than were necessary but it's still always a process of growth and that means taking some chances and risks that don't always pan out ... if someone ever figures that one out, let me know ... wait, I take it back, on second thought I think I'd rather learn it for myself ... but let's keep the option open )

    Thanks for the thread, timeparticle.

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    Re: Help

    Unraveling the misunderstanding may bring great joy and understanding, but something blocks us from doing that. We may be without our friends agreement if we learn about the help offered. We may be in great disagreement with our chosen friends and this may bring about a friendless lifestyle for us. We may lose our friends because they will see and feel a change in us. We may fear to be alone. We may fear to be secure and happy because we might discover the true reason why our friends are misunderstanding life. We may rather not know so as to be not alone. Misunderstanding becomes the norm. We make movies about it. We write stories about it. We blog about it. We suffer together about it. We never move away from it.

    Originally posted by Timeparticle
    'Misery loves company.'

    My grandfather taught me that we may choose to remain miserable, or we can do something to change the situation. Anything, rather than wallow in self-pity and look for similar company to reinforce the negativity.

    From that, I have learned persistence and impatience with day-to-day whining.

    Please don't misunderstand. There are some serious injuries and losses in life that require a proper grieving process before one is ready or able to move on. That is most natural, and I deeply respect and understand the dark path, in it's many aspects.

    By the day-to-day, I refer to all those matters that we do have choice over.

    Debt, education, wardrobe, employment, companionship, diet, substances with potential for abuse, and the like.

    The longest journey begins with the first step, and your suggestion that one sits down quietly to think matters through is the first step, and an excellent one.

    People do fear the ridicule of those close to them, and many lack the personal strength and conviction to embark upon such journey, or may start briefly and return to the fold, from personal insecurity.

    There are better companions up the path, but you must strike out toward them. They do not want to be weighted down by your chains and boat anchors. They have left markers for you to follow, but the choice, and the work, is up to you, with the aid that the universe will provide, if you are comitted to the task.

    Those moments meant something only to me.....again I wondered about if the Universe helps us....smiles...and I have had tons of these experiences...


    Regards Mikal
    Your story about the books makes me smile, Mikal.

    My life, also is a study in coincidence and synchronicity, to the point that I jokingly call myself the 'Mistress of Bad Timing', because I am never in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    At first glance, it may appear so to some, if it is an awkward moment or challenge, but my task is most often to be the catalyst or a go-between in problem solving.

    By plane, train and automobile, by phone, e-mail, and snail mail, the past, present and future seem to find me, no matter how reclusive or elusive I may be, lol, and on a fast horse, I'm not always easy to get a fix on, but it's all good.

    An interesting thread, TP, and I'm sure it all ties into quantum physics at the scientific level. One doesn't need to be a rocket scientist, however, to take advantage of how the 'universal system' works.

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    Hi, Steve, Mikal and Lw. This picture looks like something I would show in my Time Particle Theory. Yes, I believe the universe is timed and in synchronization. Sometimes the "help" is given to us immediately, sometimes it takes days, and sometimes it takes many thousands of years.... over many lifetimes. The biblical prophecies are a sample of that... stories of great help given years into the future.

    Some misunderstanding may come from the notion that all help should be given instantly. Help is started instantly, but the result may not be seen as such. Because everyone in the universe is involved in some minute way, a certain time lag may exist.

    The gods also ask for help. Because they have a greater ability to have time, the help response time may be millions of years.... and they would be ok with that.
    Time uncovered brings new insights.

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    Re: Help

    Well I've got to admit I think the universe came through today

    It's one of the most beautiful outside and it looks like a little corner of heaven to me right now.

    Gonna head out for a bit today. Catcha later on.

    Thanks for all the "help" too!

    (Oh, I'm just having too much fun right now ... and that's just the right amount!)

    Quote Originally Posted by labelwench
    There are better companions up the path, but you must strike out toward them. They do not want to be weighted down by your chains and boat anchors. They have left markers for you to follow, but the choice, and the work, is up to you, with the aid that the universe will provide, if you are comitted to the task.
    Nicely said (the entire post actually but that section especially resonated with me)

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    Re: Help

    It's one of the most beautiful outside and it looks like a little corner of heaven to me right now.

    That may be how it 'looks', but it is not really there in actuality, being only what the Dream chose to present as an apparently and seeming stable scene. Nothing that 'you' think of as really functioning functions, but only that something like a 4-D movie is playing in your mind that is not there either.


 

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