False & True Philosophical Utopias...

[melanie]

Melanie, you fail to realize energy is no more than the measurement of the force of real FS matter in motion. This is the mistake all spiritualists make. E=MC^2 is simply the total measurement of the force collisions of total matter in motion at c, iff applied to the whole. Energy is falsely interpreted as an entity, when in fact it's a simple measurement. Yes, we do call our life force energy, but think about it, it's our force__meaning the force of particle waves pushing our thoughts through our brains__simple matter in motion__nothing more. Yes, we are made of bundles of particle waves, to manipulate this more fundamental particle wave information, but it's still all of the FS of the greater Universe__No mystery, just plain fundamental matter in eternal motion__always. To exaggerate it into imaginal mind/consciousness states, beyond what it is, is not logic, science or any kind of sensible thought__it's merely exaggerated imagination lost in the definitions of energy and matter, where matter is the real, and energy is simply the force of all collisions of matter, or matter waves...

I agree with everything you've said.

We are saying the same things, just differently.

Show us how a naked force, without some sort of real fundamental matter/substance, creates anything__even thought...?

Exactly,

can't do that for one very good reason ...


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btw, Lloyd, how come you keep spelling the word IF with two f's ?

[Lloyd Gillespie]

I agree with everything you've said.
btw, Lloyd, how come you keep spelling the word IF with two f's ?

Iff in logic means, 'if and only if'__that's all mel. It offers more precise speech...

[melanie]

Iff in logic means, 'if and only if'__that's all mel. It offers more precise speech...

thanks, it's a bit like the logical word i use, 'apparently' ...

[melanie]

Melanie, you fail to realize energy is no more than the measurement of the force of real FS matter in motion.
This is the mistake all spiritualists make.
E=MC^2 is simply the total measurement of the force collisions of total matter in motion at c, iff applied to the whole.

What is it that knows / realizes energy is the measurement of real FS matter in motion ?

Energy is falsely interpreted as an entity, when in fact it's a simple measurement.
Yes, we do call our life force energy, but think about it, it's our force__meaning the force of particle waves pushing our thoughts through our brains__simple matter in motion__nothing more.

What knows this energy force as a measurement of movement, or matter in motion ?
iff you say brain, then how does a piece of grey flesh knows it is a brain ?

[Lloyd Gillespie]

It's been known and agreed to since the early Greeks, and especially Socrates dialogues by Plato, that perception is the knowledge engine of the brain/mind. We see__We know, no more complex that that Mel...

Perception is the powerful tool/engine of all interpretation... The eye/'I' of 'I' see, 'I' know, 'I' cognize, 'I' comprehend, 'I' understand. Look for any more complexity, than this historical simplicity of the best philosophers, logicians, scientists and mathematicians, and you're simply wasting your time. What you call consciousness is simply conscious perception__Seeing for oneself, seeing oneself, and seeing other, and all accomplished by the many layers of the complex physical brain's organ__perception. Most all else is just stored information in the many areas of memory. The soul is just our best aesthetic and esthetic record of stored childhood memories...

Of course there's the basics of the instincts also, but they're our base flight or fight mechanism, all animals have...

What is it that knows / realizes energy is the measurement of real FS matter in motion ?

What knows this energy force as a measurement of movement, or matter in motion ? iff you say brain, then how does a piece of grey flesh knows it is a brain ?

It knows it's a brain, because even the ancients took it out and looked at it. It took more modern science to investigate the brain's many areas, to truly know how it knows, in conjunction with many older and ancient ideas of knowing__The science of epistemology, or the science of brain/mind, and the limits of our knowledge, and knowledge systems all put the picture together, through the years...

[melanie]

It's been known and agreed to since the early Greeks, and especially Socrates dialogues by Plato, that perception is the knowledge engine of the brain/mind. We see__We know, no more complex that that Mel...

Perception is the powerful tool/engine of all interpretation... The eye/'I' of 'I' see, 'I' know, 'I' cognize, 'I' comprehend, 'I' understand. Look for any more complexity, than this historical simplicity of the best philosophers, logicians, scientists and mathematicians, and you're simply wasting your time. What you call consciousness is simply conscious perception__Seeing for oneself, seeing oneself, and seeing other, and all accomplished by the many layers of the complex physical brain's organ__perception. Most all else is just stored information in the many areas of memory. The soul is just our best aesthetic and esthetic record of stored childhood memories...

All there is then is PERCEPTION SEEING

who is it that is seeing/perceiving ? NOONE that's who, so say the spiritualist, and religion,
and LG ?

Lloyd, consciousness / seeing / perception are all the same thing. And you are right about there being no entity.

[melanie]

It's been known and agreed to since the early Greeks, and especially Socrates dialogues by Plato, that perception is the knowledge engine of the brain/mind. We see__We know, no more complex that that Mel...

Perception is the powerful tool/engine of all interpretation... The eye/'I' of 'I' see, 'I' know, 'I' cognize, 'I' comprehend, 'I' understand. Look for any more complexity, than this historical simplicity of the best philosophers, logicians, scientists and mathematicians, and you're simply wasting your time. What you call consciousness is simply conscious perception__Seeing for oneself, seeing oneself, and seeing other, and all accomplished by the many layers of the complex physical brain's organ__perception. Most all else is just stored information in the many areas of memory. The soul is just our best aesthetic and esthetic record of stored childhood memories...




It knows it's a brain, because even the ancients took it out and looked at it. It took more modern science to investigate the brain's many areas, to truly know how it knows, in conjunction with many older and ancient ideas of knowing__The science of epistemology, or the science of brain/mind, and the limits of our knowledge, and knowledge systems all put the picture together, through the years...

The brain is a known idea held in consciousness , however, no brain has ever been seen. It does not know it exists, until it become conscious via the senses /soul.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Look deeply inside perception, you'll see it sitting there awaiting your investigation. It's where all the greatest minds of the planet have discovered their very valuable information__nothing other than investigating the deep self-perception, and how it functions. All the numbers, ideas, logics, intuitions and even reasons are there__free for the seeing...

The brain is a known idea held in consciousness , however, no brain has ever been seen. It does not know it exists, until it become conscious via the senses /soul.

Only perception sees the soul__There's nothing else to see it with...

[melanie]

Look deeply inside perception, you'll see it sitting there awaiting your investigation. It's where all the greatest minds of the planet have discovered their very valuable information__nothing other than investigating the deep self-perception, and how it functions. All the numbers, ideas, logics, intuitions and even reasons are there__free for the seeing...


Only perception sees the soul__There's nothing else to see it with...

No thing has ever been seen, only felt, via senses, the soul.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

The entity is your physical perception Mel, your brain/mind/body__Self/'I'...

All there is then is PERCEPTION SEEING

who is it that is seeing/perceiving ? NOONE that's who, so say the spiritualist, and religion,
and LG ?

Lloyd, consciousness / seeing / perception are all the same thing. And you are right about there being no entity.