False & True Philosophical Utopias...

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Melanie, it's very simple__All the senses are connected through perception. This is scientific medicine, physically experimentally documented, all around the world...

I can't keep up with all your information overload all at once Lloyd...slow down, your going to fast ...

Energy spent is conscious intent, matter is inert without energy = active matter in motion...

Lloyd, your mind is like the speed of light, whereas mine in comparison is like molasses i quit the conversation with you,
but thanks anyway.


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[melanie]

Btw, you can see your real self__just look at your body with your eyes__There you are__Big as day...

But my point is ------Who is doing the looking? who is looking and seeing the body? who sees?

We do not know the answer to that, hence, perception cannot see itself.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

You are the physical body perception seeing itself, in all it's beauty...

You are the seer of all you see...

But my point is ------Who is doing the looking? who is looking and seeing the body? who sees?

We do not know the answer to that, hence, perception cannot see itself.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

You see you... You sees you... You see other... Oher sees you... You, you, you__all the way...

You just seem to want to be something other than you...? Why...?

But my point is ------Who is doing the looking? who is looking and seeing the body? who sees?

We do not know the answer to that, hence, perception cannot see itself.

We know the answer. We always have. Just certain woofies through the years, have tried to make people think different__They were/are wrong... Perception is you, and your body/brain/mind perception self-seeing itself__Always, and for as long as you live... You, all the way babe__it's all ya got...

[melanie]

You are the physical body perception seeing itself, in all it's beauty...

You are the seer of all you see...

I am not the seer, I am the seen, and the seen cannot see.

[melanie]

You see you... You sees you... You see other... Oher sees you... You, you, you__all the way...

You are wrong Lloyd, it is Consciousness that sees.

You just seem to want to be something other than you...? Why...?

I am Consciousness ALONE...Spontaneous aliveness arises out of Awareness as relative consciousness.

Presence is the bridge between the known and the unknown, the manifest and the unmanifest.

We know the answer. We always have. Just certain woofies through the years, have tried to make people think different__They were/are wrong... Perception is you, and your body/brain/mind perception self-seeing itself__Always, and for as long as you live... You, all the way babe__it's all ya got...

[Lloyd Gillespie]

I am not the seer, I am the seen, and the seen cannot see.

That Eastern Guru was drunk, who taught you that...

[melanie]

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie
You see you... You sees you... You see other... Oher sees you... You, you, you__all the way...

That Eastern Guru was drunk, who taught you that...

[Lloyd Gillespie]

You are wrong Lloyd, it is Consciousness that sees.

If consciousness were true, one couldn't empty perception to do new tasks. Only perception is true, since it can infer ideas in and out, at will. The brain has no other tool to replace perception, no matter how many false words you may wish to dream up...

I am Consciousness ALONE...Spontaneous aliveness arises out of Awareness as relative consciousness.

No, that's just imagination, believing and thinking, you are more than you are necessary of being. Ocham's razor rules...

Presence is the bridge between the known and the unknown, the manifest and the unmanifest.

Present perception works best__Direct present perception, then you can pick and choose from all the world's ideas__of free will... Consciousness just locks you into a bad belief system, just like any other bad religion... Science finds no 'consciousness boogie-man' necessary, when perception and its essence agent tools perform all the same tasks...

Perception == Essence Agency == CIA == Central Intelligence Agency
Perception's Agent tools == Essence agency tools == Everything Else From Soul to Intellect...

[melanie]

Perception is you,

Who is you?

It cannot be answered.

Except to say, perception is you..

Perception has you, you do not have perception...?