False & True Philosophical Utopias...

[Lloyd Gillespie]

A Gov. God-Head of True Power_Intelligence Can’t Be Linked to Power Til Power Is Defined…
The Rightful Symmetrical God-Head Power of Government…
The Symmetric Incentive Power of Proper Government…
‘Intelligence added to greed(larger perspective and longer term view) turns to wisdom…’ S.A.
Intelligently defined power over the greed machine…
The Laws of Greed:
#1.Principal demanded beyond principal issued, creates greed…
#2.A % of principal, gov. issued beyond principal plus interest, ends greed…
#3. Islamicphilosophy’s zero interest rate banking through triple entry banking__Keynes’ bancor__One international currency à One wage distant future à The wisdom logic of greed’s full knowledge circle, and application of law’s computer controlled programs, over the greed machine…

The Paradigm Shift__From complexity to common sense__From empire to 1st community...
Ya 'gotta' have a simple scientific method, to teach a system...

In good ol’ `72, I had a major epiphany, as I’ve mentioned before, but it passed so quickly, I didn’t recover it again until `82. When it did finally return, it was embellished with that further 10 years of life’s rich experiences, as I’d been studying everything under the sun, to try and recover that massive vision I’d earlier experienced. It was late in the afternoon, on a sunny Fall day, when I walked into my shop and accidentally knocked over a stack of books. One of my encyclopedia science year books fell open to Einstein. I thought it strange that Einstein was staring up at me, with his scraggily hair, so I picked the book up and saw the caption under his picture; “The secret of the Old One.” My mind immediately filled with that epiphany I’d experienced most exactly 10 years earlier.

The epiphany was the global super-conscious vision into a possible future semi-utopian, fully scientific model of a new organization of money systems, and the greed machine of human nature and law controlling them. The very first thoughts were of the very depths of greed and power, and what they truly were, and exactly what controlled them both__yet not until yesterday, with Steve’s post about intelligence being added to greed, did I fully see the dynamics of how this old epiphany truly had to be dealt with__and thanks to Steve, I’ve a new conception of the true governmental power relationships to greed, and how it must be dealt with innately, to possibly reach the masses of individuals__to solve this crucial problem, of humanity’s inability to, thus far, connect truth and wisdom to power.

I’ve often asked myself and others this very question, and it’s the very first post, a year and a half ago, on my newest blog. I’ve personally referred to greed as that inner/innate dynamic that is the core operative of all our desires, all the way from our best emotions, to our grandest schemes of logic and money. It’s the true power-center of our very essence, yet most see it as a thorough evil, but wait a minute__It’s absolutely necessary and like all agents, has two sides of function__the bad, as well as the good, and it’s the good side we must try to see through, as most of us already see far too much of greed’s bad side. Now, you may say; ‘How can greed have that much of a good side?’, especially as relates to government and pure power? Well, that’s the mystery of this lil’ ol’ demon.

It’s truly and purely governmental power, we must educate to acting intelligently about greed, and not the people, per say. Actionable intelligence over the greed machine by governments, would be the greatest advancement of civilization, oh who knows where and when from, forever… Iff we as common citizens, can develop the vision of what’s truly needed to guide government policy decisions over this one area of the greed machine, we could drastically change the world, for the better. Greed needs be inversed/eversed to see how it truly functions. Years have passed since John Law tried to failingly show the government of France how to use the printing of money to enrich the nation and her people, but, What truly went wrong with his ill determined experiment in the mechanics of greed?

He failed because he did not realize greed had to be balanced by greed herself, to have any excess printing of free-money succeed, but this one drastic failure, which left France bankrupt for two generations, is what scared the pinhead academic community from ever looking further into the real mechanics of the government run greed machine__and this is the real failure of all modern governments__Not realizing the power over the greed machine, they truly actually have. Governments, academics and citizens must realize anew, that money can be semi-free-printed to governmentally control the greed machine against itself, thus creating a new symmetry of money’s actions__To truly benefit all humankind__By realizing a new dynamics of supply and demand can be divided by supply and demand itself__to function in an almost perfect balancing act_of private and public enterprise__by the formula of E=1/5X of total exchange trades__which would allow the fairest wage and pricing system, the world has ever known…

I’ll leave this here for now, as most probably think it’s a ghost writing such words. Anyone seriously interested though, may simply ask any question, or make any suggestion they feel appropriate…rrr

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Hi Lorrina, and you asked about this formula: 'by the formula of E=1/5X of total exchange trades__which would allow the fairest wage and pricing system, the world has ever known…' and how it relates to chickens, cabbages, heating oil, or what have you...?

The formula was actually very simple to figure out, after I'd done all the fundamentals, but it's actually just looking at the real world as it now is organized, where about 20% of total world transactions is international trade, while the other 80% is fixed trade within nations, or there-abouts, with some nations above and below the actual figures. I also applied it to the ownership of wealth between rich and poor citizens of the world, which Pareto had factored over 100 years ago, as his 80-20 law. The E stands for the best state of Economics, and the X stands for traded Exchanges of goods and services by all citizens.

As far as what the inversity of it means for all citizens purchasing chickens, cabbages, heating oil, or what have you, is the fact that were we to realize our true universal economic potential as a collective union, or at the least a loose union of, we could have these items at much lower prices, and be paid much higher wages, thus allowing us all more time to play. It's just the collective ignorance of economics and the academic pinheads, and I also mean at all levels of societies, that holds us in chains. There's no reason, we as free citizens can not be intelligent enough to dream up systems that will support higher wages and profits, with lower prices__may sound contradictory, but I assure you, it's not(real banking system multiplication of credit factors...). It's just our blindness to money's possibilities of actions that keeps us all locked down, in our drunken intellectual conditions...rrr



Originally Posted by labelwench
I would be interested in knowing how you have arrived at this formula, Lloyd, and what it represents in terms of chickens, cabbages, heating oil, or what have you.

Numbers, equations and formulas would mean nothing to many of the people with whom I work.

Tangibles, is what we chiefly need, in such case.

Regards,

Labelwench

[Lloyd Gillespie]

You asked; 'Is not trade within a nation considered protectionism?' No, trade within a nation is the natural necessity of getting fresh produce from Florida and Calif. in the hard Northeast winters, or up to Whitehorse where you are, etc., etc. Nationalism is when external trade is blocked by high tariffs, which many nations are now practicing with imbalanced currencies, and their supporting of this practice, such as China is doing, dis-advantaging America in our trade and off-shoring practices with China. Pure nationalism would be excessive direct duty taxes protecting one's national products and blocking other's products from entering.

Though currency imbalances do this same process much more effectively, the economic academic pinheads, running the show, are yet to admit this Fact. That's why I posted so much about currencies and PPP's(purchasing price parities, including currencies), a few pages back. For local and global trade to function properly and fairly, all government's need internationally re-align their currencies, more than any other factor to even begin to resolve the world's problems, then internal prices would have to be re-aligned by laws also, to balance with a possible currency re-balancing. This is the dream of most all heterodox economists, but the orthodox pinhead economists out-number us heterodox economists about 10 to 1, even after the proofs of last Sept. `08 clearly show the collapse of that fraudulent mathematical mindset. It'll most likely take another year or two for the heterodox schools of ideas to work their way to the top, as it is happening as I write__But we need the support of Obama, but he's a lawyer trying to learn economics, with many bad advisors, and he's not yet listening to his heterodox advisors, such as Paul Volker, as he said so on Charlie Rose just last week.

So, time will tell if the wise minds can finally float to the top or not...

And I agree with you on the immigrants question, as I've written so on my blogs, in the past. I've even stated we need them to support our ridiculous over-spending_on wars, etc._tax base, for future retirees, plus all the other over-expenses__Under the present system, that is__So, let's help change this ridiculous system to a Mathematical government, thus removing the stupidity, and granting a true and pure, yet fully incentivized, Mathematical(sensible simple geometric maths) liberty for all our citizens, instead of the priviledged few__Mathematical equality and true Mathematical rights for all__Now...

That way, we remove the ridiculous human equation from our decisions, in its most critical of areas__Government Power__Mathematize it, sensibly balanced for all...rrr

Sorry for the tirade, but it's needed...



Originally Posted by labelwench
Is not trade within a nation considered protectionism?

Trade of goods is a relatively easy thing to measure.

In the near future, our greatest 'import' is likely to be immigrants, as we are in need of workers to maintain deteriorating infrastructure and to design and build the infrastructure of a more environmentally sustainable future.
Labelwench

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Thanks for your sincere interest Lorrina, and first, let me state my position about a global currency. Most are not aware there are two interpretations of a global currency system. One is a single global currency for all nations, which I am against, as it removes the sovereignty and safety of action from any nation participating in such a system. It also puts all power in a single governing body/bank of such a system.

The second system is a global international currency system, where all nations maintain all their own internal currencies, yet an international currency is issued for all international trade, where all local currencies are exchanged against the international currency, thus leaving the local system to freely function on its own. This system is simply to stop the global international robberies that are presently taking place, thus saving us trillions over the years, to spend on what's truly needed_food, shelter, health, clothing, etc. It also can pay down the national debt much easier. We can end the speculators' reign with such a system. This is the one I prefer. It's the system Plato offered centuries ago, Ben Franklin offered, Keynes offered and now P.Davidson and myself offer, plus the one any number of other heterodox economists are backing...rrr



Originally Posted by labelwench
With the resources of the planet divided rather inequitably, I am trying to envision how your formula might improve the lot of those people who live in areas of the globe which offer insufficient means for present survival, let alone participation in a global economy.[There's just more real money to spread around everywhere, when the Rich aren't hiding it all in their favorite tax havens_any more_As such a system forces the closure of said tax havens, by outing them by sanctions. There's also the savings of ending the real bear of 'balance of payments' over-hoarding_as per China holding $1 trillion in reserves, as well as many other nations like Japan with $1 trillion, and a global total of some $4 or $5 trillion just being hoarded as reserves. That's a lotta wasted money, as their only using it to hold their currencies at low values to export un-fairly. Imagine what good that money could do if put where it's needed. That's what the system I speak of can do. That money is not even being used by these other countries__It's just sitting_Not working_In their central banks_Gov. policies_Bad gov. policies...]

Your thoughts on that?[Answered above, but we could care for most of the world's poor, with a true and thorough re-balancing of currencies and PPP's(purchasing price parities)_Globally.]

Would your remarks above have anything to do with consideration of a 'global currency', or do heterodox economists view such a concept as favorable?[also answered above...]
Labelwench

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Just a re-post, but a very valuable one, I would say...rrr
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aiya-Oba
Thanks Gillespie, for your understanding.
Nuclear logic; equator of self-contradiction, is the absolute logic.
-Aiya-Oba.

Equator of self-contradiction is absolute logic. It is above contradictions, just as light though equator of positive and negative charge, is infinitely above their level of self-contradiction.Equator of self-contradiction is the absolute logic of highest awareness about the true nature of the Universe.Lets not fail to realize, that humanity is just now at the dawn of the 3rd. Millennium. The greatest hours of human understanding about the Universe, are still ahead of us.



Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie
Aiya-Oba, you are a true genius. Do you realize you have discovered "The absolute universal logic law of truth discovery"? This would mean that absolute logic is the truth ascertained by the total evidence of self-contradictions___the total evidence of cross-examinations. The metaphysical contradicts the physical, so the law of truth discovery equates to the evidentiary equilibrium of total self-contradictions. Absolute logic is the equator of all the infinite self-contradictions. I think your wisdom logic generator law will allow us to see the absolute physics of metaphysics, and offers the key to unlocking the TOE. Others, of course, and maybe even you, will interpret this differently, but the absolute logic of self-contradictions' evidence will equilibriate all valid truths. I sincerely thank you for your valiant efforts toward solving this TOE. Let all the contradictions be placed in one thread, to ascertain the absolute evidentiary evidence of facts. This should be done one contradiction at a time not to be confusing. Let us all find the self-evident absolute truths of all the self-contradictions...rrr

Regards,
Lloyd

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luhnj7ZPWL4

[Lloyd Gillespie]

"All attempts to level the playing field lead to some variation on a one~wage system." Because, that is the final result of all total system theorizing, but, and this is a big but, we must have a transition system, from here to there. And, the transition and final system must respect Incentives...!!!rrr

Without incentives respected in any and all systems theorizably possible, we have the malaise and boredom__We don't want that__Too many drunks_Russian example...rrr

[Bancor' as originally proposed by Keynes, works semi-philanthropically, when all labor wages and standards of currencies are in place, as per new system's advocacy_E=1/5X is a 20% value standard for new money creation_thus preventing the ol' demon of inflation and hyper-inflations, or their counterparts_deflation and hyper-deflations...]

'I don't think that a fair economic system can be found whilst we're in this current state of mind - need a higher state of mind where scaleable fun can be envisionsed without the need for any form of purchasing power.' This one is easy__Total computerization to a tallyboard system(I do not advocate this though, but a system that accomplishes similar actions, without pain), as used on farms, or as Egypt used with its great public works Empires for centuries...rrr

One has to see the global historys' mechanics of public works Empires, such as Egypt, Greece and Rome as related to the public works Empires of Spain, France, Germany, England and America, as per their mammoth public works expenditures of WWI and WWII, etc. We spent massive amounts of newly created money, and didn't go broke__How...??? Key__Credit, wage and price controls...!!!(I do not advocate this though, but a system which the dynamics of accomplishes the similar, without pain) Governments took the big roll of survival over Greed...!!! The key is what governments Can Do, not what they can not do__Gov. sponsored financial engineering...!!!



Originally Posted by SB_UK
problem

Any system must support sustainable growth.[Good sustainable growth_Yes...]
Any system should work with the prime directive of helping to ensure that all people are afforded as much scaleable sustainable fun as possible.One~wage might result in stagnation -
however (and a really big however) ... ... ...

- people want to have fun and not money (the dissociation of fun and money which we're currently (now) making possible)
One~wage might result in stagnation -
however (and a really big however)
won't
(I think)
- when we understand ourselves.[Isn't understanding ourselves, understanding all this complexity in one simple vision?__Including money and greed...?]

An economic system which'll work as long as there's an understanding (by each of us) of our intra-Universal context* (of why we exist) (where that we exist need be our only axiom in this train of thought).[Where, and our best survival state__possible...]

Apologies Lloyd - I'm trying but can't reject some variation on a one~wage system; the closest I can get to rejection is a measured transition (which'll take a little time) to global one~wage introduction.[You're right on here__Star-Trek's Q' style computer chip controlled distribution systems_just never shown__Same as future 'one wage symmetry...']

Not trying to be difficult -
a little annoyed at myself (if anything) that I can't work out a solution to this problem.

~*~


How?

Stare at a whole buncha' pictures from the Hubble and observe (with commentary when we're ready) the repetitive motifs which occur up there relative to down here.[No doubt...]

Aside
Thinking so hard currently to work up a solution to this problem that my head is spinning, feeling sick, need to go the toilet, shaking and feeling both weak and uncontrollably hungry
- what a combination!

Aside II
The only question which has caused me this much of a meltdown (and which needs to be avoided) is why anything?[Because 'Nothing' is an impossibility_at the absolute limit_Thus 'Something' by necessity of existence, and logic's impossibility, otherwise...]

Why anything? and WTF money? are the two hardest problems -
- one of which (the former) - we'll never solve
- the other one of which we'll solve when we (don't laugh)
actually evolve
to better.

~*~

I don't think that a fair economic system can be found whilst we're in this current state of mind
- need a higher state of mind where scaleable fun can be envisionsed without the need for any form of purchasing power.



Ahhh yes... Let me see__En-vision the best state of humanity_then subtract backwards to our present mess_Take of the vision only what's absolutely best_Create new system which employs Incentives...rrr
M=C^e/e

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From here: Link to here: Link to here: Link to here: Link by way of here: Link and Not here: Link(follow order of links)(Did ya notice we're on page 39__3*13...? My favorite series_3's and 13's...)
"--- The citizen of the ideal state will require a currency for the purpose of every day expenses; This is practically indispensable for workers of all kinds and for such purposes as the payment of wages to wage earners. To meet these requirements, the citizen will possess a currency which will pass for value among themselves, but will not be accepted outside their own boundaries. But a stock of some currency common to the Hellenic world generally i.e., of international currency, will at all times be kept by the state for military expenditures or official missions abroad such as embassies and for any other necessary purposes of state. If a private citizen has occasion to go abroad, he will make his application to the government and go; and upon his return if he has any foreign currency left over in his possession, he will hand it over to the state receiving in exchange the equivalent in local currency." Plato
"All nations need a balance of payments system they can live with." Paul Davidson
"We must have a global balance of payments system capable of self-liquidating national debts." Paul Davidson
"A Unified Balance of Law Systems Is The Imperative of Global Solutions." me
"Democracy's Survival Requires The Middle Road of Exchange Clearing." me
"Without global transformation, national transformations are impossible." George Monbiot
"If we set a [production] standard of value (to control inflation and exchange rates) in one fifth of the entire economy, we can make real semi-limited use of the printing press –– while liquidating all state debts." L.G.
"Put money on a 20% wage and production standard and we can effectively semi-print real wealth." LG
"If we institute reasonable production standards, we can institute triple entry banking." LG

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM79QpaxvOs

[Lloyd Gillespie]

The Old Academics vs. The New Academics...

If we compare the old to the new, what is the most glaringly obvious difference? I'll state it's deciding the new by democratic votes of what is and what is not knowledge__And the old was decided by the true mathematical logics, and this seems to apply to most fields of study. So what's to be done? Do we go with the old academics to find the truth, or do we adapt the old more sound mathematical logics onto the new? I would suggest there's far more valid and even up-to-date information and knowledge in the old, thus it would be a wiser course to use much of the old information and knowledge as a modern foundation, and definitely use the old's method of science, in all cases__Then adapt the new facts and real knowledge truths of, to the old methods and facts. But I warn, deciding what's true of the new, is one massive problem, as it's been so decided by democracy views__lacking mathematical and logical validity__it's quite a treacherous road to hoe...

Just take the two probabilities that presently exist__The sound mathematical probability logic of facts, and the unsound probability theories of mathematics and conflated logics.

.Probability / | \ Probability
.........Logic / | \ Logic
.Academics / | \ Academics
.........Truth / | \ Truth
Knowledge / | \ Knowledge
Democracy / | \ Democracy
_________rrr

Hope is Hope...

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Emotions, Desires and Ambitions__The Human Condition…

Imo, emotions, desires and ambitions is enough to generally explain the human condition, and its being limited by law and money__which in turn can be developed into a theory to explain the present global capitalist system, and how it can evolve to a better system of engineered law and money_to truly benefit the human condition…

First, just look at your own condition, and compare it to someone your age with a $$$1 billion dollar trust fund. Skip the part about you wouldn’t want the trust fund, and just purely theorize the conditions of liberty and freedoms afforded to the person with the fund much, much larger than yours, and don’t put the moral implications in, just pure theory, first_morals come later. By doing this little experiment, one is quickly confronted with the real limiting factors of one’s own life_by the real laws and money factors involved.

Let me further take this into the abstract theorizing. Iff humans are restrained to action, within the bounds of their own money capacity, and the state is respected to enforce its laws against you breaking them, then we can inverse this process to show that money and law truly do control and limit everyone’s emotions, desires and ambitions. Now, this truly reduces our freedoms more than most are willing to admit, but let’s take the experiment a bit further, by imagining all us humans as mechanical robots__with emotions, desires and ambitions replaced by scientific energy sources of actions. What would be the total energy sources needed to emulate total, and I mean total_personal to scientific and economic, etc._human actions?

These are the questions I asked myself back in the `70’s and `80’s to allow myself to factorially design new governing systems, at least abstractly theorizingly-wise, with both infinite imagination and finite logic__You’d be surprised at the power of such use of the mind__Just try it… Now, take the entire robot model above and emplace it in place of the 6 billion + humans on Earth, and replace the money system with batteries, and the law system with electricity systems to recharge the batteries. Theorize the entire system’s potential to design and operate the real world us humans inhabit, now. By totally thinking this model through, one quickly can realize it’s truly a scientific problem we are up against, and not a strictly speaking human condition, as limited to our emotions, desires and ambitions__But a problem limited to our faulty intellectual assessments of these lesser ideas and problems.

Next, use the analogous model above, yet turn it back and forth between robot and human realities, as you add the necessary changes to the human world, to have it function as a robotic world catering to the human condition and nature’s improvements of the global commons. Let me give a hint of how to do this; Just theorize yourself with $$$100 trillion dollars, yes that’s Trillions I’m speaking of__and self-build a perfect world of law and money function of incentives_protecting against over-debts, inflation and poverty_not just a system that functions for a short time_but for all time_and this is possible__Think... The second clue would be to start with an easy model of absolute price freeze laws world wide, though this is only a temporary theoretic state of mind, to see the greater picture of possible re-engineering of money systems. Next, figure how to add in permanent incentive action laws, and fair wage laws to all, yet connected to the existing over-debted system’s functions_not to crash the existing system.

By exercising the mind in such a way as above, one will quickly realize the new re-engineering powers that must be added to governments’ options, of actions over laws and money, to make such a system function. Remember, this must be a self-liquidating national debt structure system, which when thoroughly viewed, one would realize is a tax-liquidating system also. The final clue to work with is to realize the present 80% competition of free enterprise must be put in competition with a 1/5 government price controlled enterprise system, permanently instituted as a government P.X military style fixed pricing and distribution system, to compete loosely against the 4/5ths totally free system__thus having over time the power to curb all price increases and that old Fear-demon of inflation and hyper-debts__Thus allowing Keynes' Bancor' Triple Entry Banking system, and Fair Wage Banking system, to function semi-philanthropically...

Let me know if that helps or hurts your theorizing abilities…rrr

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by SteveA
The problem is that people don't see the larger picture of this and so we have more "traffic congestion" than is needed.

A large problem is that we have a lot more "roadblocks" than are really necessary (IMO) and they aren't organized very efficiently.



"The problem is that people don't see the larger picture of this and so we have more "traffic congestion" than is needed." My very point Steve. Seeing the larger picture removes the traffic congestion_But then one must know what to act on to resolve the congestion, and our simplest action, that's capable of real change for basic humanity, is simple law changes__That will always be the truth__It has always been the truth__It is the truth...

"A large problem is that we have a lot more "roadblocks" than are really necessary (IMO) and they aren't organized very efficiently." Ditto, as per above...rrr

[labelwench]

'Greed is a passing fad_Incentive is a lasting ambition, is a lasting incentive...

Originally posted by Lloyd Gillespie

You are a busy man today......I am not caught up in reading, just scrolling and reading in the order that the posts capture my attention, leaving my mind to sort them into positions and relationship, and will reread them in sequence again later. Crazy to some, but works for me.

We may be on the threshold of having the most serious incentive in the history of our species, and that would be survival, as one looks about at the challenges that all people are currently facing, though they vary depending on what square yard of the globe one is occupying.

I make that remark from a positive perspective, as in my opinion, there is nothing like a challenge that is faced by all to enable our capricious and competitive species to work toward a solution, which may in fact need be several solutions, to address the diversity of needs which are rapidly presenting.

Neccessity has ever been the spur required by our species.

Later,

Lorrina