F r e e d o m

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F r e e d o m

We are free to make whatever meaning out of life that we choose, for the tiny simple material that led to us is not marked ‘made by God’—as we explored in the ‘Science vs. God’ thread where all was found to be natural. Nor is it even marked good or bad, holy or unholy.

Even for those who say we can’t know the TOE, there is still that same freedom to be. Religious pestering is not allowed on TQ.

The reason that we should follow the ToeQuest guidelines and not preach religion, which even varies greatly in its proclamations of ‘sure things’ is that it eventually leads to problems of admonishments such as that one will be sorry or burn and such pressure. Plus insults.

And, to boot, they’re not even correct.

Let’s take meditation, for example, which is said to be a path to the Ultimate One. There’s no question that it is relaxing and probably healthful to quiet one’s mind, but it is a path to a sensation of blankness and nothing more.

This has been proven, through a monitoring of Buddhist monks. It showed that the brain area responsible for determining a useful boundary between us and the rest of the universe naturally quiets down after a while. Same with the brain area that is about the ID of the self. Thus, one feels at one with the Cosmos. The ‘feeling’, though, is still merely a sensation of just about nothing happening. I have meditated.

Nevertheless, a giant leap is made to ‘God’ and then it is preached. So, as it has been proven not to be, it is not even at best merely a theory. But, they really believe in the invisible unknown, which is the very definition of faith. Well, fine, but it is still a deception to preach a theory (if we even up it to that status) as fact. Unsuspecting children, who tend to believe adults, then go for it as truth, growing up to defend it against the ‘infidels’.

The same for anything such that is personally vouched for, such as reincarnation, a dream, or the theory of many Gods. Since there is no proof, it is then unethical to present it as fact. Yet, even further structures are built upon the ‘basis’, these, too, being presented as more facts, as if one can go on to speak for the ‘Basis’ about whether it is kind or vengeful and what it wants and so forth.

I see it on ToeQuest all the time. One religious person will even tell another, “no, you are dead wrong”. In the greater world, as well, such differences in theories or culture must be protected, leading to many conflicts. “One may only reach salvation through our way.” Well, all this is very prideful, as it presumes that man, a very recent appearance, is the measure of all things. Plus, the theories are such that no evidence is even conceivable, much less extraordinary evidence for the extraordinary claims. Theories that adapt any which way to anything are not even interesting.

Yes, the evangelists are pesky, but they usually annihilate each other along the way. On TV lately, I heard, “If you don’t believe what we believe…blah, blah doom.” Channel off.

More and more of this is being ignored in countries where there are no repercussions. The once stable U.S. Northeast just dropped a huge 10-14% (I forgot the exact percent) in religious affiliation. The west dropped more, but no one cares about that since ‘anything goes’ there for quite a while.

Live life freely, enjoying one’s theories, religious or not, but that right ends where other people begin. And, yes, do try to promote religious theories on the outside (freedom to try), but the religious preaching of them is not allowed on TQ. And, no, it doesn’t matter, say, that Bahai or some such one is really so great that we should bend the rules, etc.

We have no choice about existence, other than suicide, and so it is existence that must be dealt with, first and very foremost, over essence. And, no, nature and existence didn’t get it wrong—nature just is, how it is, neither right nor wrong, being material.

Imaginary Truth

The “seems”, “could-be’s”, and “maybe”
Migrate to “is”, “must be”, and “should”.

Supply the proof and I will that refute,
Unless it is so that there is no proof,
But, if so, please supply the circumstantial,
But if there is none, I’ll take imagination.
(But one cannot go on to preach it on TQ)

Some of the TQ Guidelines

1. Keep your posts professional and respectful. Rudeness, personal attacks, and inflammatory posts will not be tolerated.
2. Refrain from short meaningless posts, or posts that are not very well thought out.
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10. Political discussions are not allowed. This is a big community breaker and not related to the Theory of Everything.
11. Do not preach. Religious discussions are acceptable if scientifically based, but preaching is strictly prohibited.

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TOE



The groundstate was never created, for it always was.

WE ARE AS FREE TO BE AS WE COULD BE!

[Mikal]

Freedom is to pass so deeply through a life experience that one escapes from the tensions, contradictions, fears, doubts and deferred dreams that are part and parcel of living a borrowed and enculturated cultural existence. We would wonder about the power in this arduous transcending process as it seems almost mystical in nature and that would be because it is the freeing of the drive to search, the restlessness and the creative power that characterizes life so it is the attaining of the mind’s critical faculties and one’s own decisional power which was robbed in the enculturation process…this is the true meaning of freedom!

Regards Mikal

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Yes, due to the Cosmos being all there is and ever was, the potential for freedom is always there. We just have to get the world to realize it and not bug us too much. Some countries have it more than others.

Free! There are no strings of any physical nature unless string theory is right (ha-ha).

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The Knowing

“Into this Universe, and why not knowing,
Nor whence, like water willy-nilly flowing:
And out of it, as wind along the waste,”
Omar “knew not whither, willy-nilly blowing…”

Now I’m knowing, that out of this muddle,
Indeed, it’s that chaos that frees me to be,
For it’s all of disorder in disarray,
An ultimate disorganized confusion,
Whence all sprung, banged, and exploded,
With no hint or trace of order, law or plan;

‘Twas mayhem, bedlam, and pandemonium,
Wreaking havoc upon the turmoil of a tumult,
Heaping high upon, a commotion of disruption,
In the utter fullness of the uproaring upheaval…

…The maelstrom to end all messes and shambles,
The lawless free-for-all of total energetic anarchy,
Entropy crowned the King of the great hullabaloo,
That cosmic hoopla from which all hell broke loose.

Never there was to punish one for not even knowing,
Why you are here in this world so much growing,
That become here all so willy-nilly going.
So, as life’s rose, outspread your fragrance blowing!

Whither flowing free,whether knowing, or not,
Hitherto, I know not whence, but am whither going,
Willy-nilly, hence that’s all there is to knowing…
Hence thither forth I go on hither flowing to find
That I was ever more free to be in body and mind.

It is of Ovid’s “rude and indigested mass:
The lifeless lump, unfashion'd, and unfram'd,
Of jarring seeds; and justly Chaos nam'd.

No sun was lighted up, the world to view;
No moon did yet her blunted horns renew:
Nor yet was Earth suspended in the sky,
Nor pois'd, did on her own foundations lye:

Nor seas about the shores their arms had thrown;
But earth, and air, and water, were in one.
Thus air was void of light, and earth unstable,
And water's dark abyss unnavigable.”

So it is that we the living might hereby agree,
To live a being that is much more intense,
To leap toward higher orders of actuality,
To revel in the glories of this conscious life,
To attain each minute a more euphoric joy…

And to bring this forth to all,
The increased intensity
Of free experience,
And build on it, etc.,

Ever growing;
Forever, amen

The basis of the Universe was forever here,
For nothing could make itself from Nothing at all;
Such, a state of Nothing could never be, for there IS
Something—reality that our being interprets.

This then is the secret of the universe,
Knowing of that which underlies all reality:
Fundamental, absolute, indestructible,
Everpresent, indeterminate, and pervasive.

Reality now pulsates, in real structured sequence.
A field that’s present throughout space immense,
Out of which all particles can condense—
Occurring where the field’s extremely intense.

Atoms are those bundles of inertia,
The knots in the field and fabric of space;
Yet matter defines the structure of space…
So the Yin is in the Yang, and vice-versa!