[SinJin]

Here's what I think of life - after the big bang and particles came about, they began to form matter by way of the four fundemental forces (and probably other things.) Matter became more complex, and led to life and intelligence. Life and intelligence led to technology. So basically, from the big bang onward the particles of the universe go through an evolution, starting off as just individual particles, and eventually after forming mattter and life, come to a stage were they no longer have to rely on the forces of nature and can now reassemble themselves. But to do what? Why would all the particles of the universe try to reach a point where they could reassemble themselves? That's basically the same as asking what the purpose of life is. I would say one of the main purposes of life seems to be to survive and reproduce. So perhaps you could say the particles of the universe want to survive in their form/state. They clump together to form matter, then clump together to form intelligence, so that they can rearrange themselves at a better rate to ensure their survival. Or perhaps there is some other reason they reach a state where they can rearrange themselves, other than survival.

I know this doesn't explain much of anything, but I thought it was an interesting line of reasoning.

[Guille]

I have thinked: if the energy and matter (mass) were the same at the begining, if the forces where the same at the begining, if everything of each type was the same at the begining, doesn't it mean that therecould still be developing of new types? New type of energies that haven't been differentiated yet? new kind of matter? new forces? new dimensions? This is, I think, very possible. Maybe we don't understand the universe completely and don't have the TOE because we need to know about those enrgies, forces and dimensiosn, maybe those will give us the secret points for the TOE. Not the unification, but the differentiation. Don't look at past, but at future. Maybe?

[Masa Hiryuu]

So you are saying that the universe is a living entity striving for survival and evolving to ensure that survival

would this also imply that the universe has a consious intelligence?

My Multiverse theory hints at things like this in individual universes because like your Idea they do go through an evolutionary process going from simple structure (Similar to single celled organisims) to more complex and efficient (more complex multi-cellular organisims) this evolutionary process seems very similar to that of the process of evolving life. It also brings up the question about consious life within the universe and where that consiousness originates from (If there is consiousness in the universe then is the universe consious of its self?)

[SinJin]

I would say we are the universe, and we are concious, therefore the universe is conscious. But I think that was just a part of the natural progression. Developing conciousness and intelligence and technology perhaps makes it easier for the universe to ensure it's survival, rather than sitting in a lifeless state, changing only according to the fundemental forces.

[volantis]

Originally Posted by <<>> Maybe we don't understand the universe completely and don't have the TOE because we need to know about those enrgies, forces and dimensiosn, maybe those will give us the secret points for the TOE. Not the unification, but the differentiation. Don't look at past, but at future. Maybe?

Hi Guille, these are interesting thoughts.

Whatever gave being to the beginning of the Universe, must remain constant. But that does not prevent complexity from developing from this constant beginning.

[volantis]

Originally Posted by Masa Hiryuu My Multiverse theory hints at things like this in individual universes because like your Idea they do go through an evolutionary process going from simple structure (Similar to single celled organisims) to more complex and efficient (more complex multi-cellular organisims) this evolutionary process seems very similar to that of the process of evolving life. It also brings up the question about consious life within the universe and where that consiousness originates from (If there is consiousness in the universe then is the universe consious of its self?)

In my theory, I started with the known data and traced back toward the creation. In the process, I discovered a mathematically correct Unified Force Theory.

I show that the physical Universe originated from all-powerful, all-pervading Gforce equal to 1.21x10^44 newton. This Gforce is quantum and it operates through each quantum of space-time. I was able to show that the Gforce acting on dimensions of length^2 per charge produces the quantum Aether unit.

I also show that dark matter exists outside of the Aether (in between actually), which is why it is dark. When dark matter is absorbed into the Aether (via the Casimir effect) it becomes visible matter. The Gforce acting on the three dimensions of visible matter (electrostatic charge, electromagnetic charge, and mass) produces what we perceive as the three forces electrostatic force, electromagnetic force (strong force), and gravity. The so-called fourth force is not a force at all, but the proportion of the electrostatic to electromagnetic force.

I further show that Aether is composed of the speed of light (motion), permeability, permittivity, and a newly discovered conductance. The conductance of the Aether is what interacts with dark matter (primary angular momentum) to produce the strong charge. The electrostatic charge is inherent to the Aether and is actually a function of time, caused by the reciprocal dimension of mass in Gforce.

In short, the theory produces a Unified Force Theory, and quantifies all matter and space-time. The theory also makes a few new predictions. For example, matter and anti-matter are predicted to be gravitationally repulsive. You can see some of the theory online as our book just got listed on Google Print.
http://print.google.com/print?q=%22secrets+of+the+aether%22&oi=print

The theory also quantifies consciousness in terms of conductance, thus providing the possibility of fully unifying physical and mental existance.

Dave

[Guille]

Originally Posted by volantis Hi Guille, these are interesting thoughts. Whatever gave being to the beginning of the Universe, must remain constant. But that does not prevent complexity from developing from this constant beginning.

ok, but, what is "constant"?

You can't define it, because nothing in nature, really is constant. And equal. We say that 1+1=2 but this is what WE say. Not what nature. Nature changes. Nature does never stay constant. This is one basic rule of nature.

[volantis]

Originally Posted by <<>> ok, but, what is "constant"?

The quanta remain constant. The Gforce, mass of the electron, speed of light, elementary charge, and dozens of other constants have been identified. If these things did not remain constant, the Universe could not exist as predictable as it appears.

[SinJin]

The universe must have some purpose for life, otherwise why would we have popped into existence. Metal rusts if it's left out in the air for too long, because oxygen corrodes the iron compounds through chemical reactions. Similar to that sentence, life (and everything else) blossoms in the universe because ________ . That blank is the TOE, and if nothing else I think that would be the one definate constant. The one thing, possibly a force, that governs everything, leads everything through the progressions and steps that unfold. Some property makes and ensures that a circle is round, and I think similarly there is a property that makes the universe the way it is. That would be a constant.

[subversion]

Originally Posted by volantis The quanta remain constant. The Gforce, mass of the electron, speed of light, elementary charge, and dozens of other constants have been identified. If these things did not remain constant, the Universe could not exist as predictable as it appears.

of course there is always the argument that these constants change over a time period too long for us to detect