A Democratic Paradox ?

[MJA]

Is a society that is governed at the same time free?
Thanks,

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MJA

[melanie]

Is a society that is governed at the same time free?
Thanks,

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MJA

Society has to be governed because people want to feel safe and secure.

However, knowing that in reality there is (no one) actually governing them is freedom.

[Mikal]

Is a society that is governed at the same time free?
Thanks,

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MJA

"You Americans are so gullible. No, you won’t accept communism outright, but we’ll keep feeding you small doses of socialism until you’ll finally wake up and find you already have communism. We won’t have to fight you. We’ll so weaken your economy until you’ll fall like overripe fruit into our hands!" --Nikita Khrushchev, to Ezra Taft Benson.

Those who understand how to employ ‘Social Engineering’ have expertise in ‘Ideological Subversion.’

When they come to covertly attack a nation, they want to get into its educational structures because they want access to the up and coming generation.

They work in a four-fold structure with the knowledge that it takes only 20 years to work on an entire generation.

STRUCTURE OF IDEOLOGICAL SUBVERSION

1) Demoralization of a generation—done by society to society to achieve lack of moral standards—achieved through control of information.
2) Destabilization—control over habits of consumption and turning gov. to matters of economy, foreign relations, and defense systems.
3) Crisis—shocks people, the period of shock serves rapid change of power, structure and economy
4) Normalization of crisis—society now lives under the guise of Disaster Capitalism—making profit from crisis.

When a nation is under Ideological Subversion democracy only exists as an image—when a person is demoralized a person is unable to access true information.

In a system like this, one cannot be free unless they recognize they are under the control of Ideological Subversion.

Please study Yuri Bezmenov and watch Youtube Video Interview.

Regards Mikal

[austintorn@aol.com]

When they come to covertly attack a nation, they want to get into its educational structures because they want access to the up and coming generation.

Who's "they"? (The Russians?)

[labelwench]

Is a society that is governed at the same time free?
Thanks,

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MJA

It may be that we require government to prevent some persons from denying other persons their 'freedom'.

The collective pyschology is that 'democracy' enables 'equality' for all, and some equate this concept with 'freedom'.

A false sense of security by any other name is still a false sense of security, in my opinion.

[MJA]

And another thought:

In todays communication world of www, cell phones and I pads, why do we need a lobbiest and a representitive form of government, why don't we decide how to best govern ourselves? If lobbiest are controlling our government and the people have no voice, isn't it time to change our government to a government of the people for the people like it was meant to be?
We have the technology to change!
Change Mr. President?

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MJA

[labelwench]

What percentage of the world's population has the infrastructure that you describe?

It is my opinion that 'technology' is actually becoming the new 'caste' system, in that there are the 'haves' and the 'have nots'.

Computers and the internet are the latest way by which the population is becoming enslaved, entirely of their own free will.

Whomever controls the power grid, controls all.

Used to be, when the lights went out, one grabbed a flashlight and kept right on trucking, as the land phone lines usually still worked, one could phone for credit card authorizations etc. and work manually.

Now when the power goes down, the economy barely moves.

While it is pleasing to contemplate that we are an intelligent species that should be able to govern ourselves, collectively, it comes down to each one thinking that the other should pay for all of those seldom needed emergency services and infrastructure, as a few examples.

The main purpose of 'government', IMO, is to allocate fairly the costs of greater society, which sadly, has become far removed from that task.

A change is needed, and I do not doubt it is coming. What form shall remain after the event, is interesting, and frightening, to contemplate.

[theunify]

While I sort of laugh at your caste system it's not false that technology is becoming more important than urban areas in terms of how it connects us and allows us to work and produce web products. I'm going to now worry about how to avoid a technology shutdown as it's becoming more economical to use the internet than to have a large labor force relying on an aging highwaysystem, I'm just thinking solar might be a good way to stay powered on during any black outs and storms. You would have to save some energy for storms and then have a system where you could have enough lights and power balanced with this new demand from the computers we use to pay the bills.

If the internet shut down I think unemployment would turn into an unmanageable problem. <strikethrough>Like smoking for 20 yrs...</strikethrough>

as so many of use is for work purposes and education for those waiting to get into the labor market.



~theunify

What percentage of the world's population has the infrastructure that you describe?

It is my opinion that 'technology' is actually becoming the new 'caste' system, in that there are the 'haves' and the 'have nots'.

Computers and the internet are the latest way by which the population is becoming enslaved, entirely of their own free will.

Whomever controls the power grid, controls all.

Used to be, when the lights went out, one grabbed a flashlight and kept right on trucking, as the land phone lines usually still worked, one could phone for credit card authorizations etc. and work manually.

Now when the power goes down, the economy barely moves.

While it is pleasing to contemplate that we are an intelligent species that should be able to govern ourselves, collectively, it comes down to each one thinking that the other should pay for all of those seldom needed emergency services and infrastructure, as a few examples.

The main purpose of 'government', IMO, is to allocate fairly the costs of greater society, which sadly, has become far removed from that task.

A change is needed, and I do not doubt it is coming. What form shall remain after the event, is interesting, and frightening, to contemplate.

[labelwench]

While I sort of laugh at your caste system it's not false that technology is becoming more important than urban areas in terms of how it connects us and allows us to work and produce web products. I'm going to now worry about how to avoid a technology shutdown as it's becoming more economical to use the internet than to have a large labor force relying on an aging highwaysystem, I'm just thinking solar might be a good way to stay powered on during any black outs and storms. You would have to save some energy for storms and then have a system where you could have enough lights and power balanced with this new demand from the computers we use to pay the bills.

If the internet shut down I think unemployment would turn into an unmanageable problem. <strikethrough>Like smoking for 20 yrs...</strikethrough>

as so many of use is for work purposes and education for those waiting to get into the labor market.



~theunify

I am glad that you found our civilized feudal system worthy of a chuckle.

All species have a 'pecking order' and despite all our lip service of 'equality', I would suggest that 'equality' is but an idealized concept, that while it may be unattainable, serves the purpose of pointing a direction.

The carrying capacity of our habitat has been reached and exceeded in some regions, and remains unproven in others. I suggest that the weather will become and remain the wild card in the foreseeable future and that long term forecasts and predictions will be considerably more difficult to project, with a decreasing percentage of accuracy.

And that is the GOOD news.