Theists and atheists( P.S.)

[labelwench]

Alas, myth will not save the world, but only retard it.
Originally posted by Austintorn

Nuclear science appears to be doing an equally good job of the above.

So much potential for good and an equal potential for harm.

When science can more completely explain the processes of the brain, I would anticipate that experiences of the right brain or spiritual side of ourselves will become more integrated with our logical left brain.

Nature gave us two lobes.

I suspect that they compliment each other in a manner we have yet to fathom.

[Graybeard]

I still do not know what can be done to eliminate endless futile conflicts between theists and atheists.

... I've always wondered why so many couldn't see both sets of feelings, especially those of atheists as well as theists...

Aren't you both saying the same thing ?

cool bananas ... greg

[austintorn@aol.com]

The world is not a safe place. Asteroids, earthquakes, and weather may devastate us and our cities. There is no sure refuge; no hands of God saving us. Extinctions come and go. There was much more than the Noachian Deluge.

We have advanced via science, not myth. All types of people wish to run their cars, heat their homes, and use appliances. Light shines upon us; the darkest ages are past, but this is no insurance against the same.

Life on this spec in the cosmos is ever precarious. That it came about at all is both the curse and the blessing. I fought those who would have done away with doctors and professionals, killing them, as all such are ever destined for a bloody end.

We exist in the middle of nowhere, formed by little or nothing, but in a time of relative ease, for some, and to nonexistence we will return, but hopefully living gloriously in the in-between, doing good but for good’s sake, the highest ideal.

[Mikal]

The God believer may but the result of indoctrination, the sources of which may be geographical, sociological, or familial, but I shall move on, in a bit, to those who utilize introspection and/or felt sensation.

Either way, they want it that the zillion galaxies of the universe are all there for their mammal, sapiens sapiens cause—the beginning of wrong thinking, to which is added on that life requires Life behind it, but that, suddenly, Life does not. We can see that there can be some emotional comfort of being taking care of gained by this here and in an afterlife.

The mistake is to posit a Being as fundamental, which no being can be. They want not just any old Being, but even an infinitely advanced one. No go.

Nor does the eternal basis of stuff or even nothing admit to any creation, as it was forever; however, emotion trumps logic, for some, and they will neglect reason or not care, for they do want what they want as their own exaggerated importance in the scheme of things. They don’t wish to be humble material creatures who have even been shown to have evolved from little things over 4 billion years.

The right hemisphere of the brain is much more holistic than the left, and may even emit a felt sensation of a presence that is wordless, it being a felt sensation. The right brain itself is the presence. One can even feel the right brain side getting a bit warmer when, say, considering a piece of furniture as a whole instead of inspected its details.

All in all, experiences of presences or gods is but the “second story” atop the neurological first floor, but believers are prone to neglect science or even bash it to keep their notions safe.

The mythic ages will die out as new generations come along, as it already seen in Europe and in the once stable U.S. northeast.

There is nothing to show for God, as expected, and everything to show against, a double whammy, yet emotion from introspection strives on, the blind leading the blind. It’s only human to do so.

They grasp for unscientific proofs, such as in OBEs, which are but of sleep paralysis and can even be chemically induced, and also employing terms, right and left, like ‘spirit’ which are “just said”, having been invented just for the occasion of the God beliefs, and even then proclaiming them as gospel truth, which is surely an overstatement and further a deception.

We’ve always had myths, but we didn’t always have science. As God vanishes and the world closes in, especially in these uncertain times, there will still be some who wish to appeal to magic, as something to hold onto to: yet, ‘magic’ has strings attached. A little more thought beyond the almost automatic stopping point of thinking no further reveals that we are already free to be, there being no need to restrict one’s self to the idea of some strict family father figure of ancient times, whom they, amazingly, even go on to speak for. Alas, myth will not save the world, but only retard it.

The soul is the perceiver and revealer of truth.

We know truth when we see it, let skeptic and scoffer say what they choose. Foolish people ask you, when you have spoken what they do not wish to hear, ‘how do you know it is truth, and not an error of your own?’ We know truth when we see it, from opinion, as we know we are awake that we are awake…

We distinguish the announcements of the soul, its manifestation of its own nature, by the term Revelation. These are always attended by the emotion of the sublime. For this communication is an influx of the Divine Mind into our mind. It is an ebb of the individual rivulet before the flowing surges of the sea of life.

Ralph Waldo Emerson

You have a fine night Austin…this world has the capacity to do many things to me but it cannot make me hate!!

Regards Mikal

[austintorn@aol.com]

soul

Supposition.

[Meem]

To a or not to a, that is the question?

[Meem]

Supposition.

Some people claim the same thing about time, and others about space. For there is no "solid" evidence, only circumstance. All we have is right now, this moment, but if we do not have the future, how do we move to it? And if no past, do we come from nowhere at all? I'm not sure if time or space every really starts, even if it very much appears to have done so. I never hope to prove that I have a soul and jar it for others to say, yes or no. I can't say I have one even if I do. And if there is some palce one might come from, or go to, I can only hope there is a sanctuary from all this noise we blast each other with. I believe in some pretty crazy things, space-time, infinite boundless boundries, and core symmetry with macro diversity. Silly strings, sprayed theories, all over the place. Everything forever the same, changing. What makes a soul any more superfluous than a mega-multi-universe?

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My criticisms are always simple; they are limited to one word:MOmit! Every syllable that can be struck out is pure profit, and every page that can be economised is a five-per-cent dividend. Nature rebels against this rule; the flesh is weak, and shrinks from the scissors; I groan in retrospect over the weak words and useless pages I have written; but the law is sound, and every book written without a superfluous page or word is a masterpiece.
All the same, no one cares to apply so stern a law to another person. One has right to be severe only with oneself

Henry Brooks Adams (1838–191, U.S. historian. Letter, March 30, 1886, to Emily Ellsworth Ford. Henry B. Adams and His Friends, p. 160, ed. Harold Dean Cater.

[austintorn@aol.com]

Why Neglect?

Some believers don’t wish to deal and respond to the self-contradictedness of the concept of God because then they may have to actually consider it, but their emotions sway them away and back to their suppositional notions, wherein they conceive of invisible beings, and talk to them, and even speak for them, concocting more invisible notions such as souls, not caring or even wanting to know that these entities would have to be material in order to talk the talk of the material. More appeals to magic can take care of that problem.

On forums they get banned for not being able to discuss ideas. As anywhere, they say “huh?”, plead ignorance of science, employ tired old deflections upon the person, or on emotions as saying the ideas are to inflame and bring “hate”. It’s no wonder, though, for what else do they have? Even more piles of invisibles? After a point that begins to look really silly, and so they just outright neglect the ideas, instead adding made-up words to support their own position, such as “soul”, “angels”, “immaterial realm”, “spirit”, and other such obvious unshowables, along with the chutzpah to even proclaim them as the truth. Invisibility Disorder.

[Mikal]

The soul is not a supposition, it is the experience of higher energy frequencies/vibrations where the visual at 40Hz is correlated with the auditory at 10Hz and the tactile at 4-5Hz. This is called 'entrainment' to specific octaves.
In the oldest existing manuscripts the 'soul' is called the MerKaba (vehicle) or the Light Body trapped inside the physical body.

It is experienced!! It can only be experienced! How can you talk about it, suppose about it or assume about it if you have never experienced it???

Gee really strange but I have never been banned....(touch wood eh)...


Regards Mikal

[austintorn@aol.com]

So, a Light Body is trapped…

Still all supposition.

A mammal looked into her own mind and saw… her own mind.

Other forums, like SciForums, are stricter, requiring science, or at least some semblance of philosophy.