[PROFET]

Theory Of Everything, This Means Thst Everything Has To Be Explained The Fact That People Dont Know Is Thet You Have To Use Everything (every Method Of Researc To Complete It)this Also Involves Religion, Because When Our Research Numbers And Formulas Break And There Is Nothing You Can Do Suddenly The Bible Has Sentence That Makes Everithing Complete


Alex

[Masa Hiryuu]

I see Religion as a possable explanation for TOE that must be treated aas seriously as any other theorys but the problem is PROVING these and other theorys are correct. Even if the explanation makes sence there still needs to be proof that the explanation is true. Something religion has not yet done in any way. That however does not mean we can disreguard religious explanations entirely, it just means they need proof, kind of like Aether theorys its a good idea and seems to make sence but has no proof.

[Guille]

Originally Posted by PROFET Theory Of Everything, This Means Thst Everything Has To Be Explained The Fact That People Dont Know Is Thet You Have To Use Everything (every Method Of Researc To Complete It)this Also Involves Religion, Because When Our Research Numbers And Formulas Break And There Is Nothing You Can Do Suddenly The Bible Has Sentence That Makes Everithing Complete Alex

Your problem, and I have told you this many times, is that you are an extremist. Sorry to tell you, but you are. Extremist conservative. Look at religion, what has it done to understand nature? Better, look at your specific religion. It's dione nothing. The small portions and partitions that it has which are dedicated to philosophic themes are just very easy and simple, no need for a book or a belief to think and conclude this things, they are things you understand just by living. Science, in it's modern meaning and use, is very young, but has given thousands of solutions, theories, predictions, knowledges, etz, to understand nature. I can asure you that most and many of the things that nature can't yet explain and like you say scientists get stuck at, will be solvd by science and scientists themselves.

Please, leave science alone to work, and advance, and change....

Don't try to dogmatize science, you have religions, don't mess up with the only salvation I and many others have...

By the way, give me one, and only one, important and relevant thing that religion or specificly the bible has answered in a rational way, about nature, and that science hasn't already answered.

Until then, I can must direct to you this quote (Wittgenstein):

"Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silence"

I know I'm your friend, but I simply can't deal with this religious magnification you do, without being inteligent and atleast recognize the negatives of the religions and have conclusions.

It is quite peculiar that theists have never analized atheism or even try to understand it whiles ALLL atheist by definition do this with religions. (you can't neglect because to be againsts something you first have to know what it is, but to be in favor, there is no need of knowledge).

good luck with your dogmatisation, although it will fail, friend,

Guille.

[PROFET]

You Were Asking For A Prove That The Bible Explained Religion First Than Science I Have Got It:

"and Then Got Placed Life In The Seas,then In The Earth,and Then He Covered The Heaven With With Beasts That Could Fly."

Live Began In The Ocean Then In The Earth And Then In The Sky,

Look For It Its In The Bible

Ups, You Dont Have One


Alex

[Robert]

If I might weigh in on this one, there are many positive aspects of religion. It gives many comfort, security, a zeal for life, and inspiration to do great things. Those qualities may even help us on our quest.

A danger I see here is that religion has the potential to blind us (scientifically speaking). To generalize for a moment... To blindly believe in something, whether it be religion or an idea, cultural belief, paradigm, or world-view, can blind us to the objective truth about reality. When we believe stongly or have faith that something is true, we tune out conflicting information. This is especially true when strong emotions are present. I think it is biologically wired into us to ignore ideas, facts, and any evidence that goes against our strongly held beliefs. This may happen subconsciously and we are not even aware of it. This is a type of psychological defense mechanism used to protect us because we want so much to be right.

To be successful on our Quest, we must open our minds, look at all the evidence, examine our beliefs, and try to come to rational conclusions. This should of course go both ways. I think PROFET is correct that we need to use all means available to us on our quest for the TOE. This should include religion and that's why I have included it in these forums.

Some religious people purposely ignore areas of science that might conflict with their religious beliefs. This was certainly true historically and there is no reason for it to be otherwise today. Perhaps it's due to guilt or a sense that you are unfaithful to your religion when you study certain subjects; philosophy for example. I disagree with this. If there is a God, I really don't think he would be upset with people for objectively seeking the truth about reality. If God exists, then the path will eventually lead back to him.

Regards,
--Robert

[PROFET]

robert, you are right and i feel well because i know that someone (religius or not) accepts the need of religion to reach the end and finish the toe, i specially liked when u said:

if got exists then the path will eventually get back to him

at last, some respect!

alex

[PROFET]

You Were Asking For A Prove That The Bible Explained some natural event First Than Science I Have Got It:

"and Then Got Placed Life In The Seas,then In The Earth,and Then He Covered The Heaven With With Beasts That Could Fly."

Live Began In The Ocean Then In The Earth And Then In The Sky,

Look For It Its In The Bible

Ups, You Dont Have One guille


Alex

[Masa Hiryuu]

Yes Robert you are right and you said it better than I was able too...

But like Scientist religious people have to be open to scientific ideas if they are to be able to work together to create a TOE and PROVE that TOE...

[PROFET]

If Someone Looks At My Last Post In This Threat They Will See That Ai Got A Quote From The Bible That Explained A Natural Event.

I Thought It Was Interesting

[Omni]

Originally Posted by PROFET That Explained A Natural Event.

That's a little much said. The simple truth is you shouldn't believe all you read, because literarry everything can be written as it can be spoken or sung but that doesn't mean everything that's written, spoken or sung is true. You can quite easily explain religion as being a lie, a lie to protect us from fear of the unknown or for an enemy. We don't understand something-> that's scary for some->let's make up something that makes us "understand" it-> hooray! the fear is gone. The Romans are really evil and we don't stand a chance=>let's produce the chance by imagination or even better...produce victory by imagination =>heaven, where all the good people (that's us ofcourse) go in the end. There is no evidence whatsoever for any religion to be true and there's every reason to believe it's a human invention. That doesn't make it impossible for God to exist, but you will not find his/her story in religion for sure. In religion you can find wisdom and stupidity. Recognizing them both for what they are is the most you can get out of religion I guess.