[AntonioLao]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Can you Antonio access a design that would express this idea!

Not giving an excuse, however, to make this unusual design I have to move forward in time. But every time I move forward one step I move back two steps. This is just like a frog at the bottom of a well trying to jump over to freedom from the clutches of the well of time.

[mkirkpatrick]

Imagine that we are inhabiting the furthest outpost of manifestation,that we
are on the surface of a vast ocean of consciousness,and that our inner-core
is achored in the Before,we as surface entities exist in the everpresent Now
gravity that enfolds us all is also in the ever present now!It can be traced back
in (time)to when Now manifested,so maybe in that sense welook back into the past!But in the Before,there was no manifestation,just,Beingless,and we seem
to be heading to when we will become Obscoured and the now will cease to be
it will be the Be-fore again.and will be as though none of this really happened!
If we were observed by a being in the Be-fore,all would appear still,we would
seem to be frozen and rooted to the spot,it would take forever for light to go
a few inches!The Be-fore just Is,no time,no space,just all,our minds areunable
to concept this.We go backwards in (time) through Now to arrive back at the
Be-for,then we will understand the journey.

kind regards michael

[AntonioLao]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Can you Antonio access a design that would express this idea!

I'm giving another attempt at describing why gravity is a past tense force. The reason is that what we see asides from our immediate environment of subluminal speed. All of the light we are receiving are all light from the past. No one has ever seen a light from the future. Since gravity can interact with light, the light coming toward our optic nerves were all slowed down to within light speed or even lower speed. So, with gravity interacting no light can be faster than light speed. Because gravity is pushing light back to the past. If gravity is zero then light can be superluminal and therefore we can see the future as well as the past and in addition our mass also disappear.

[AntonioLao]

The image below replaces all other of earlier posts. Note that all the photons we see are from the past and they are slowed down by gravity to a max of light speed.

[subversion]

Antonio is right about gravity being a force of the past, after a fashion. I have stated before (in the chat session "what is gravity?") that gravity is a pure force of destiny. Antonio has now made this more specific by saying it is a pure force of destiny of origin. Dark energy, it's opposite, is also a pure force of fate, but in the opposite direction. Thus dark energy is a pure force of destiny of outcome. I just love the fact that destiny is a scientific term, it sounds so exciting!

[mkirkpatrick]

Do we Really know what gravity is!No we do not!But what if gravity is an emanation of mind,(which I think it is) and that the outworking of this thought
began in the moment Manifestation become a consious Idea and matter became
Informed with mind,that was the beginning of Gravity and that would appear to
be from the Past.If gravityis a product of thought produced by mindful intent,
then in the (before) there was no gravity (we were)gravity became-(We-are)
gravity is withdrawn back into the protyle (we were!)Each end of beginning has
no mass-no thing-just life thatis unknowable.It would be like all beginning from
a point(singularity)spiralling outwards gravity manifesting matter unfolding!All
this would bethe commencment of now,until now would run-down and become
obscoured maybe into another point,then now would also fade,and gravity would
be no more in the past.
kind regardsmichael.

[AntonioLao]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Do we Really know what gravity is!No we do not!

Newton found out about gravity while relaxing in the country courtyard under the shade of an apple tree. The apple hit him on the head during an afternoon nap. The pain never completely disappear until he formulated his law of universal gravitation and his three laws of motion.

[AntonioLao]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick Can you Antonio access a design that would express this idea!

This is a 3rd attempt at a design showing the interconnection of before-now-after.

This is a Moebius strip. Starting from the outside of the clockwise arrows one go around inside and outside again back to the beginning point. Since this is a non-orientable one-sided surface, after one complete circuit, left becomes right and right becomes left similar to mirror images of reflection.

[Guille]

Originally Posted by AntonioLao This is a 3rd attempt at a design showing the interconnection of before-now-after. This is a Moebius strip. Starting from the outside of the clockwise arrows one go around inside and outside again back to the beginning point. Since this is a non-orientable one-sided surface, after one complete circuit, left becomes right and right becomes left similar to mirror images of reflection.

It's more of rotative than reflective, don't you think?

Something confusing of maths is that in mathematics clockwise is negative and anti-clockwise is positive, due to trigonometry. But this is confusing, because we tend to give the positive idea to the normal one, or common one, and negative to the opposite, or anti.

[AntonioLao]

Originally Posted by GUILLE But this is confusing,

Follow the red line then notice that at the start the red line is on the right but going around one circuit, the red arrived at the left of the moving arrow.