[wisp]

How does matter get its mass from the ether?

The tiny particles that make up the ether have mass and there are a finite number of them associated with each type of fundamental particle, which forms patterns around holes in the ether, and each pattern has a unique mass value. But this is its absolute mass, and not the detectable one that we measure.

When we measure a fundamental particle’s mass, we are actually measuring the difference between the absolute mass of the ether and that of the ether material, which makes up the particle. For example, lets say the ether has a density of 1000 units and the absolute density of matter is 999 units, we detect matter as having a measurable density of 1 unit, which is the difference between the two absolute values (1000-999=1). So even though a particle has an absolute mass value associated with the ether material that makes up its structure, when we measure its mass we detect only the difference.

It follows also that when a force acts upon a particle, the inertial mass that the force acts on is not its absolute ethereal particle mass but the difference in absolute masses between the ether and the particle. I.e., the holes or absence of ether account for the measurable mass detected.

[dleviwing]

Hi wisp;
Why do you interpret ethereal matter as being particulate? If this is so, what causes it to form this structure?

If you were to view fundamental matter systems such as the universe or a particle structure as having a fixed quantity of motion, then you would realize that it is the distribution of this motion between uniform motion and wave function motion that produces the phenomena of ethereal and structured matter; Thus the uniform motion part of matter produces the phenomena of mass or inertia. Since the motion of the ethereal form of fundamental matter is basically that of vibrational waves, it has no fixed locality to allow a measurement for mass other than the wave nature produced by momentary linear uniform motion of the substance (EM waves). Angular uniform motion confines wave functions to localities that produce the characteristic of particles as standing waves.

Energy is a measure of the change in the distribution of motion whereas mass is a measure of the state of uniform motion of matter. That is why they are equivalent, both reference the motion state of matter and not the true quantitative measure of matter. Using this analogy we can solve Feynman's dilemma and know what the numbers mean.

Too often the terms used to define what we measure are interpreted as being physical entities or properties of a physical entity. Most of these measured quantities are interactions between matter and not different entities of the universe or properties of a fundamental substance. Thus fundamental matter has only the properties of volume, motion and self bonding. All phenomena are the results of these properties. Uniform motion increases bonding and thus condenses matter, chaotic wave motion reduces bonding and causes matter to expand (expanding universe, magnetic and electrical repulsion, etc). This is also why accelerator collisions can form particles of greater mass than the sum of the original particles; the new particle has greater uniform angular velocity of its substance and has also condensed in volume(masons).

[wisp]

Originally Posted by dleviwing Hi wisp; Why do you interpret ethereal matter as being particulate? If this is so, what causes it to form this structure?

dleviwing


My thoughts follow this line – The ether exists because force cannot act through emptiness, and so it is either a smooth fluid substance or it has some structure.

If it were a smooth continuous substance it would not be able to form solid structures, and would slow the motions of solid object passing through it. And we know that the ether does not slow objects.

However, if the ether had structure, it would be possible to isolate a small piece of it and it is likely this would be a small spherical particle. Since natures perfect shape is the sphere.

To create structures in this grainy ether, all you need is a strong binding force and gapes or holes in the ether. The ether will form fractal pattern around the holes and these would become the fundamental particles. The ether gets denser were there are no holes or matter, and becomes less dense nearer matter (this also was how Newton interpreted the aether).

[wisp]

I've made a mistake in thinking that inertial mass comes from the gaps in the ether. It doesn't. It comes from the ether particles that make up matter's structure.

The answer to the question should be:

The tiny particles that make up the ether have mass and there are a finite number of them associated with each type of fundamental particle, which forms spherical fractal patterns around holes in the ether, and each pattern has a unique mass value – this is its inertial mass.

[dleviwing]

Wisp;
I read your book so I understood what you meant.
I agree with the concept that ether forms fundamental units of matter but I don't view these units as being the structured ether itself, except during the quantum foam phase of the expansion of the universe. I see this substance as being affected only by a bonding property and a motion property. Ascribing a term like force or energy to this substance only promotes confusion since force and energy should not be interpreted as fundamental entities or properties of the universe.

We share many common views even though we differ in the fundamental aspects. What I find strange is that 20 years ago after working over 10 years trying to understand reality in terms of QM and Relativity, I too started with a particulate view of ether. I find now that the fluidic view of ether explains and unifies the forces of nature with greater simplicity than the particulate view.

I found your links to Dr. Podkletnov works quite interesting.
Best wishes;
Dave

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by wisp How does matter get its mass from the ether? The tiny particles that make up the ether have mass and there are a finite number of them associated with each type of fundamental particle, which forms patterns around holes in the ether, and each pattern has a unique mass value. But this is its absolute mass, and not the detectable one that we measure. When we measure a fundamental particle’s mass, we are actually measuring the difference between the absolute mass of the ether and that of the ether material, which makes up the particle. For example, lets say the ether has a density of 1000 units and the absolute density of matter is 999 units, we detect matter as having a measurable density of 1 unit, which is the difference between the two absolute values (1000-999=1). So even though a particle has an absolute mass value associated with the ether material that makes up its structure, when we measure its mass we detect only the difference. It follows also that when a force acts upon a particle, the inertial mass that the force acts on is not its absolute ethereal particle mass but the difference in absolute masses between the ether and the particle. I.e., the holes or absence of ether account for the measurable mass detected.

Would not the principle of osmosis apply here!Just a thought!
regards michael.