wow my brain is perfect

[beyond_ur_imagination]

thinkers ....i wud like to take into ur notice a strange fact !
see our brain is nothing but a network of neurons who themselves are small memory units. the network is a LOGICAL circuit. every input is sequencially proccessed, manipulated through various channels giving an output or suboutput based on some logic.
now wut i feel is if everything that comes out of the brain is the resul of a logical proccessing only then wutever output brain produces cannot not be say completely out of the world. also the circuitory of our brain was already designed by nature before we even started to breethe in air (we took birth). so there is no chance that we cld rewrite its program using some exotic(out of our universe) logics in it.
<<so a brain that was created in this universe by the laws governing programmed with all local logics only can in no case produce an output that does not belong to our universe!!>>

so the result is i cannot write an equation which is just imaginary!! cannot draw a figure that does not exist anywhere etc..etc.. so wut we r always trying to do is not to produce new things...but just group and classify wutever systems we know

this is my belief ..others may differ .and why and where they differ is smthng i wud really like to know

still i wud prefer to feel there is no one who is insane!!

[Guille]

So everything I think of is neccesarilly true? If you tihnk that, you'r very wrong. In fact, I doubt any mathematical verification can be truth, it can only be correct within matheamtics, but not truth as truth is from the world.

[subversion]

truth is how we define it. So if I say the sky is green, it means I'm using the word green to describe the color of the sky, in which case the statement is true. I could use the word fral if I wanted to. However, agreement on definitions is important for the species as a whole. That's why we stick to the word blue.

[beyond_ur_imagination]

truth is how we define it. So if I say the sky is green, it means I'm using the word green to describe the color of the sky, in which case the statement is true. I could use the word fral if I wanted to. However, agreement on definitions is important for the species as a whole. That's why we stick to the word blue.

now it went just perfect...really subversion. wut u r saying is the only task that is left to be done so that we can "communicate" to exchange and then understand the outputs produced by various brains which independently are true ...there is nothing that makes it false! but as long as u and me had not invented the word blue we cld hav never exchanged our feels about sky. still we wud never know when i say its blue, is it really the same 'blue' as when u say blue. as such my red and ur red as perception can always be differnt but what makes it truth is the fact that when someone says red we always point to the same object !!
this thing leads to one problem then what about imaginary visions. one person sees them...its a truth forhim/her, but its not a truth for the community as no one else's brain produces that output.for others that truth has no meaning and thats why its no longer a truth ...but we can never say that the person having those visions has a brain producing false outputs..for him indepently they are completely true.
we can consider one more example..at the same temp one feels cold(some disturbed one!!) and one says hot..both outputs are true but truth about wheather depends on the output produced by majority of the ppl around. in this era we have fixed a standard using science and go and use mercury instead of having a poll opinion.

[beyond_ur_imagination]

So everything I think of is neccesarilly true? If you tihnk that, you'r very wrong. In fact, I doubt any mathematical verification can be truth, it can only be correct within matheamtics, but not truth as truth is from the world.

well u cannt just escape saying " if u think so u r wrong" . u need to tell and tell giving an example where did my logic went wrong, otherwise i wud take ur brain is so filled with prejudices that it never ever tries to set a new pattern!!

one more thing if u doubt if anything is true or if u believe everything is true then there actually is not much differnce!!

[Guille]

well u cannt just escape saying " if u think so u r wrong" . u need to tell and tell giving an example where did my logic went wrong, otherwise i wud take ur brain is so filled with prejudices that it never ever tries to set a new pattern!!

I think there was a misinterpretation of my post. What I meant is that not everything we think of is true, and as our believes are thoughts, our beliefs are not all true. In fact, ussually if we need to believe in something is because it's false. We don't need to believe that E=mc^2, for it's simpyl part of knowledge, we knwo it to be true.

Also, an example I give for a thought which is not true is that now I'mt hinking that 1=2, that is not true. Now I'm thinking I'm the centre of the world, that's not true. Now I'm thinking NY is the capital of USA, that's not true. More? I find this clear enough.

And if my mind is full of prejudices, then I'm really scared of other's minds, for I'm the most open person I've ever met.

I didn't ge the last bit:

one more thing if u doubt if anything is true or if u believe everything is true then there actually is not much differnce!!

[beyond_ur_imagination]

I think there was a misinterpretation of my post. What I meant is that not everything we think of is true, and as our believes are thoughts, our beliefs are not all true. In fact, ussually if we need to believe in something is because it's false. We don't need to believe that E=mc^2, for it's simpyl part of knowledge, we knwo it to be true.

Also, an example I give for a thought which is not true is that now I'mt hinking that 1=2, that is not true. Now I'm thinking I'm the centre of the world, that's not true. Now I'm thinking NY is the capital of USA, that's not true. More? I find this clear enough.

And if my mind is full of prejudices, then I'm really scared of other's minds, for I'm the most open person I've ever met.

I didn't ge the last bit:

now this a better reply for sure.
let us now consider ur examples one by one
1) let me write 1=2 as 1+1=1 ..i hope thats finewith u.
now consider the superposition of two waves : wave1+wave2=wave3
wut happened here? 2 waves gave u a single wave onle and so in this case 2 really equals one. what is the point to be noted here? its just that '+'
has become an independent identity and the moment i change its properties 1+1=2 may not hold. and if the fact 1=2 wud hav been that false an idea ur brain cld never have produced that result.

2) about u being the centre of the world well if its just the surface of the earth that u call the world..then dear earch's surface is a surface of a sphere and every point on it is equally qualified to be the centre. so u very well are the centre of the world...infact due to the fact that universe is homogeneous and isotropic u are also the centre of the universe.

3) there is no logic broken if i start calling the capital of US as New York ...just a matter of my choice!!

from ur first lines i can see that u have understood the difference between feels and emotions which are more real than the language used to describe them. in one lang the hot may be called hot and in other it may be called cold but u cannot say one who is calling this tem cold is insane bcoz u and all ppl around were 'calling' it hot....its just a matter of naming things.
u r quite right about ur feel about mathematics being not that true because universe follows a logic and mathematics is just a language developed to express them ...the reality wud always be ahead of the language and sometime we may find mathematics being insufficiant to describe things!!