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    The Genesis.

    The words “God”, “soul”, “religion”,
    “ dualism of consciousness”, “human being” are possible
    to explain with the physical formulas and laws.
    ===============
    THE GENESIS.

    1.
    T = 0K.
    2.
    C/D=pi , E=Mc^2, R/N=k , h = 0 , i^2=-1 .
    3.
    h = 1, c=1. (light quanta).
    4.
    h = h /2pi , c>1.
    E = hw, e^2 = hca (electron).
    The Lorentz transformations.
    5.
    e- - k - He II - He I - rotating He - thermonuclear reaction:
    a) hw > kT
    b) hw = kT
    c) kT > hw
    6.
    p ( proton)
    7.
    Evolution of interaction:
    a) electromagnetic,
    b) nuclear,
    c) biological.

    Laws:
    a) The Law of conservation and transformation energy.
    b) The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle / law.
    c) The Pauli Exclusion Principle/ law.
    =============
    Socratus.

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    Smile Re: The Genesis.

    Many thanks for the introductory thread Socratus,for me Genesis translates something like this;"birth" "idea of formation".create,"motion born out of ideation",beginning,"the
    birth of relativity".

    The universal law of economy is entwined within the matrix of the vortex,the dual aspects
    of Ying and Yang.


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    Re: The Genesis.

    THE GENESIS.
    ================
    1.
    T = 0K.
    2.
    C/D=pi , E=Mc^2, R/N=k , h = 0 , i^2=-1 .
    3.
    h = 1, c=1. ( light quanta).
    4.
    h = h /2pi , c>1.
    E = hw, e^2 = hca ( electron).
    The Lorentz transformations.
    5.
    Star formation:
    e- - k - He II - He I - rotating He - thermonuclear reaction:
    a) hw > kT
    b) hw = kT
    c) kT > hw
    6.
    p ( proton)
    7.
    Evolution of interaction:
    a) electromagnetic,
    b) nuclear,
    c) biological.
    8.
    Laws:
    a) The Law of conservation and transformation energy.
    b) The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle / law.
    c) The Pauli Exclusion Principle/ law.
    9.
    Psychology: dualism of consciousness.
    The theory and practice.
    =============
    Comment to “Evolution of interaction” .
    ==========
    We used to think that if we knew one, we knew two,
    because one and one are two. We are finding
    that we must learn a great deal more about `and'.
    /Sir Arthur Eddington/

    Why?
    Because “one” is can be different from “one”.
    Take electron- symbol (e)
    Take proton - symbol (p)
    They are absolute different particles.
    And interaction between electron and proton
    is not the same than interaction between
    proton and electron: ep ≠ pe ( non - commutative algebra,
    Heisenberg and his Uncertainty principle.)
    =================
    Somebody wrote another comment:

    Any binary operator operating on two 'things' with different results
    if the order of the 'things' is reversed.
    That is, for 'things' a and b and operator * a*b not equal to b*a.

    For example:
    A thing called 'shoe' and a thing called 'sock'
    along with the operator 'and' which combines 'shoe' and 'sock' things.
    If you play around with it, you will find
    that the * order * is fairly important.
    An analogy of non-commutatively is putting on your shoes and socks.
    First you put your socks on, then your shoes -
    if you do it in the other order, you get a different result.
    I.e. order is important.
    ===============
    The nature develops from simple to difficult; the evolution
    of the world goes from the lowest condition to the highest one.
    The physicists must take to attention this fact,
    this process when they make model of atom.
    It means :
    according to Pauli Exclusion Principle
    only one single electron can be in the atom.
    If the atom contains more than one electron (for example – two),
    this atom represents “ Siamese twins”.
    Save us, the Great God, of having such atom.
    ====================

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    Re: The Genesis.

    Comment to
    ‘Psychology: dualism of consciousness.
    The theory and practice.’
    ===============
    Our computer-brain works on a dualistic basis:
    a) consciousness,
    b) intuition (unconsciousness).
    In a usual daily life all we do is done logically,
    under an influence of our feelings.
    We don,t make any discovers.
    On the other hand, in a religious practice (meditation)
    we learn to perceive and to operate:
    1) without the participation of the sense organs.
    2) without the participation of the logic mental processes.
    When these conditions will be created, then
    we will acquire new forces, new abilities.
    We make new discovers.
    =========================
    Sufis story.
    One shah (sultan) sent his son to study Sufism.
    In some years he finished his studies and returned home.
    The shah wanted to check which mystic knowledge
    the boy received. He hid his ring in his hand and
    asked his son: ‘What is hidden in my hand?’
    The boy gained his thoughts concentrated and
    said: ‘It is something hard…..it is something round…’
    ‘Yes. yes’ shah was pleased.
    And then the boy finished: ’It is a wheel of waggon’.
    =========
    Conclusion.
    We make fun of somebody who cannot think logically,
    but it is no funny when we lost our intuition.
    Nobody teach us how to develop our intuition.
    The intuitionally abilities must be connected
    with logical abilities.
    ===========================

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    Re: The Genesis.

    The words “God”, “soul”, “religion”,
    “ dualism of consciousness”, “human being”
    are possible to explain with the physical formulas and laws.
    ===============
    THE GENESIS.
    ==============


    Comment to:
    ‘The Law of conservation and transformation energy.’
    ===================
    We can not check up
    ‘The Law of conservation and transformation energy.’
    for any burning log separately.
    But however we accept this law as the universal,
    absolute law of a nature.
    =======================
    Nowadays, the law of preservation and transformation of energy
    is received in physics as a simple bookkeeping calculation
    of debit-credit. It is a primitive judgment about
    one of the most important Law in Nature.
    Why?
    Because debit-credit is ‘a bookkeeping symmetry law’.
    And the Second law of thermodynamic
    forbid us to think in such way.
    The life begins with disturb of symmetry.
    The occurrence of Life is connected not with symmetry,
    but with breaking of symmetry.
    For something to happen there has to be a "broken symmetry".

    This law is not maintained indeed in the conditions of macro world.
    And in the conditions of micro world, this
    ‘law of preservation energy’ is disturbed.
    And then the scientists "save" it, inventing new particles,
    antiparticles, quarks, etc.

    We must understand what is meaning of ' transformation of energy'
    in quantum theory.
    ========================
    1.
    In classical physics this law exactly is not observed.
    Only in quantum physics this law is exactly observed.
    But the observance of this law is connected with
    the formula E=Mc^2
    2.
    Quantum theory says that at the interaction of the electron
    with the vacuum, the energy and mass of it become infinite.
    It means that the ‘Law of conservation and
    transformation energy’ is broken.
    Unless can it be?
    No.
    Honor and glory to mathematicians.
    They thought up " a method of renormalization ", a method
    " to sweep the dust under the carpet " / Feynman./ and so
    they solved this problem.
    But what process is really connected with
    the " method of renormalization "?
    Please, remember, electron is not a professional mathematician,
    but it maybe a particle, maybe a wave.
    3.
    The physicists say that electron is eternal particle because
    it has less electric charge and therefore it cannot break-up.
    So, how can electron keep its eternal condition?
    How can electron escape its infinity?
    How to understand the fact of
    “conservation and transformation energy” of electron?
    4.
    Electron is the particle which has a form of a sphere
    (geoid), having energy E=hw.
    But everybody knows that an electron is not a firm sphere.
    Everybody knows that its form can be changed.
    But nobody understands the borders of its change.
    Electron cannot disappear .
    Electron can only change its form.
    So, what are the borders of this change?
    5.
    According to the law of conservation and transformation energy:
    a)
    Electron, having the geometrical form of a sphere,
    loses their volume (density) and turns into an indefinitely
    flat circle (C/D=pi).
    What does “indefinitely flat circle “ mean?
    It means, that we cannot reach Absolute Vacuum T=0K
    and we cannot reach density of the electron in the rest .
    b)
    In the interaction of the electron with Vacuum
    transformation of the kinetic energy of an electron ( E=hw)
    in its potential energy E=Mc^2 take place.
    c)
    It is impossible to understand the “last essence of electron”
    dividing its geometrical form from energy.
    The geometrical form and energy of electron
    are united together inseparably .
    ==========================
    Another example.
    SRT says mass and energy become infinite at the speed of light c=1.
    But only quantum of light has speed c=1.
    All other particles have speed v=s/t and they cannot reach speed c=1.
    Quantum of light is a real particle.
    Its parameters are not infinity but limited.
    So, which form does a quantum of light have?
    Only form of a indefinitely flat circle (C/D=pi).
    What does "an indefinitely flat circle " mean?
    It means, that we cannot reach Absolute Vacuum T=0K
    and we cannot reach density of the quantum of light .
    ================Conclusion:
    ‘The Law of conservation and transformation energy’
    is law of transformation electron in light quantum
    and undoubtedly as well return process.
    Electron and light quantum is one particle
    in different conditions.
    ============

    We know how whole Universe was created from
    the first second ( from big bang , of course).
    But on simple question :
    ‘What is light quanta?’
    ‘ What is an electron?’,
    ‘ What is a formula of an electron?’
    we don't have answer.
    It would be much more logical at first to understand
    what an electron is and then to answer a question:
    "How was whole Universe created?"
    ================

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    Smile Re: The Genesis.

    Socratus,you finish up your last post with the words,"it would be more logical at first to
    understand what an electron is,and then to answer a question,how was a whole universe
    created".

    How indeed was it created?Big -bang?What happened 45 minutes prior to bang!No answer
    of any real sense from science.
    For me the answer is simple,elementary in fact,the universe is a product of thought,
    thought is faster than light,and can outpace any puny electron,light-speed would be a snails pace by comparision.In Genesis there was The WORD,which can translate as this
    Will
    Of
    Radiant
    Divinity.=WORD.=energy or light-quanta.
    Genesis,the beginning of an Idea of formalizing thought into packets of quanta,quantum-
    light,casting out the darkness on the face of the deep.!


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    Re: The Genesis.

    THE GENESIS.
    ==============

    ===================
    Comment to:
    ‘The physical, geometrical and mathematical
    parameters of rest particles in Vacuum: T=0K
    =======================
    ‘C/D=pi , E=Mc^2, R/N=k , h = 0 , i^2=-1 .’
    ===================================
    1.
    Thermodynamics point.
    Let us take some area of Vacuum and mark it with letter R.
    The number of particles in this area of Vacuum
    we will to mark with letter N.
    When every particle of this area has gravity/ mass of rest: R/N= k.
    ===================
    2.
    Quantum (SRT) point.
    Classic physics asserts, that in a Vacuum Т=0К cease any motion
    of particles, and the energy of Vacuum is equal zero.
    The quantum physics asserts, that in a Vacuum Т=0К there are
    motion of particles, and the energy of Vacuum is not zero.
    Let us take some energy area of Vacuum and mark it with letter E.
    The mass of this energy area of Vacuum we will to mark with letter M.
    When every particle of this area has energy/mass of rest: E/M= c^2,
    ( E=Mc^2, M=Ec^2.)
    =======================
    3.
    Geometry and Physics.
    In 1787, French physicist Jack Charles found out that at
    a decrease of gas temperature to 1 С, its volume decreases
    to 1/273 : «Charles' law».
    According to this law a particles at temperature T=0K
    will not possess pressure and density.
    This law was confirmed by others of physicists:
    Gay-Lussac ( 1802), W. Nernst ( 1910), A. Einstein ( 1925) .
    ===================
    All these laws tell, when the temperature goes closer to
    zero T=0K, then the particles lose more their volume.
    The volume of these particles aspires to infinity.
    Unless can it be?
    No.
    It prohibits with the “Law of conservation and transformation energy”.
    Its mean, when volume of the particles disappear they
    become “indefinitely flat circles - phantoms”.
    What does “indefinitely flat circles “ means?
    It means, that we cannot reach Absolute Vacuum T=0K
    and we cannot reach density of the particle in the rest .
    These “indefinitely flat circles - phantoms” are not abstract particles,
    they are real ones.
    Quantum of light flies with speed c=1 have such geometrical form.
    This means, particles have now the geometrical form of a circle,
    as from all flat figures the circle has the most optimum form:
    C/D=pi= 3,14.
    ======================
    4.
    Mathematical point.
    In mathematics, such condition of the particle in Vacuum
    is characterized with the imaginary quantity : i^2=-1.
    ==============================
    The quantum physics approves, that ‘virtual particles‘
    exist in Vacuum
    Astrophysics approves, that ‘latent mass’, ‘invisible particles‘,
    'missing mass', 'dark matter' exist in Vacuum.
    Everything was created from them.
    But nobody knows that it is.
    They say, that 90% or more of the matter in the Universe is unseen.
    They are right.
    Question :
    When is possible to see them?
    Answer:
    These particles is possible to see in their movement.
    Their movement describes the ‘Law of transformation energy’.
    =====================
    We have now whole bouquet of formulas to begin
    to paint the picture of creating the Existence.
    =====================

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    Re: The Genesis.

    What does the Pauli exclusion have to do with the big-bang? Are you caught in an error and covering it up with more errors? Nice Thread.

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    Re: The Genesis.

    About gravitation particles & star formation.
    ============.
    We supposed that graviton particles:
    a)
    Theoretically predicted but never observed ( a hypothetical
    particle ) with no electric charge and no mass is supposed
    to be responsible for the gravitational interaction between
    matter and energy.
    b)
    A hypothetical elementary particle is responsible
    for the effects of gravity (the quantum of gravitation ).
    It means, that the initial gravitational mass of stars
    and planets is created from gravitation particles .

    Nobody knows :
    “What geometrical and physical parameters
    can gravitation particle have ?”
    The Einstein’s GRT doesn’t explain
    which particles create a gravitation field.
    I will try to explain it.
    ======.
    1.
    Where has the first material gravitation particle appeared from ?

    Now it is considered, that reference frame which
    is connected with relict isotropic radiation
    T = 2,7K is absolute.
    But T = 2,7K is not a constant factor.
    This relict isotropic radiation continues to increase and
    its temperature will decrease.
    And, hence, approximately over a period of
    20 billions years it will reach T=0K.

    Therefore the gravitation particle can appears from
    Nothing, from Vacuum, from Absolute Zero: T=0K?

    Let us take some area of Vacuum (T=0K)
    and mark it with letter R.
    The number of particles in this area of Vacuum
    we will mark with letter N.
    Then every particle of this area has
    gravity/ mass of rest: R/N= k.
    2.
    Can they have volume?"
    No.
    Because according to J. Charles law ( 1787),
    when the temperature falls down on 1 degree
    the volume decreases on 1/273. And when the
    temperature reaches -273 degree the volume
    disappears. The physicists say, if the particle
    has completely lost its volume
    the physical parameters of particles become infinite.
    But such statement contradicts the
    "Law of conservation and transformation energy".
    And then we must understand that the sense of the
    "Law of conservation and transformation energy" is.
    We should understand and accept that
    when volume of the particles disappears
    they become "indefinitely flat figures ".
    What do "indefinitely flat figures " mean?
    They mean, that we cannot reach Absolute Vacuum T=0K
    and we also cannot reach density of the particle in the T=0K.
    The “ Charles law” was confirmed by other physicists:
    Gay-Lussac ( 1802), W. Nernst ( 1910), A. Einstein ( 1925) .
    These " flat figures " have the geometrical form
    of a circle, as from all flat figures the circle has the most
    optimal form: C/D= pi = 3,14.

    These R/N= k particles are initial gravitational particles.
    ============.

    Which is common condition of gravitation?
    1.
    Let us suppose that in some local sphere of Vacuum
    the quantity of the passive particles ( k) that is equal to
    the number Avogadro N was found.
    Then according to the principle of Boltzmann,
    the gathering of the particles in some local sphere of Vacuum
    has a probable basis: S= klnW.
    It is common condition of gravitation.
    ================.

    How did from these gravitation particles (k )
    the first material particles appear ?

    1.
    The first material particles was called “helium”, because
    helium exist very – very near absolute zero: T=0K.
    Nobody knows what helium is.( !)
    Why?
    Because the behavior of helium is absolutely different
    from all another elements of Nature. ( !)
    !!!!
    I will try to explain, how the helium
    was created from R/N=k.
    2.
    The helium exist very near absolute zero: T=0K.
    Therefore we must take in attention the processes
    of superfluids and superconductors , which require extremely
    low temperatures , approximately 0K.
    3.
    Then , the first particles which were created
    from R/N =k could be helium II ( He II ),
    which created temperature 2,7K.
    4.
    Then , the second particles which were created
    from helium II ( He II ), could be helium I ( He I ),
    which created temperature 4,2K.
    / Kapitza / Landau theory./
    5.
    And then all the system comes to rotary movement.
    But helium rotates differently from all other liquids.
    If one rotates helium very strongly, it starts to behave not as liquid
    but as elastic body
    (experience of E.L. Àndronikashvili. /Georgia./ ).
    Separate layers of helium become elastic ropes that change
    the picture of quiet uniform rotation completely.
    In such rotation sharp friction between different
    layers of the liquid originates. From rotary elastic ropes
    the slices of substance of various size come off.
    Further they break to particles that received
    the names of Helium-three 3He and Helium-four 4He.
    The common thermal temperature in liquid increases .

    Rotation and collision of the particles 3He and 4He at some
    stage leads to their further crush to small particles, that received
    the name of the nucleus of hydrogen atom- proton (p).
    Protons are initial, the smallest, material particles.

    The most widespread elements in stars are helium and hydrogen.
    Our Sun consists of helium to 30% and of hydrogen to 69%.
    Ii was found that in external layers of our Sun on 1kg of hydrogen
    it was necessary 270g of helium. In deeper layers on 1kg of hydrogen
    it is necessary 590g of helium.
    Thus it is deeper into Sun it is more helium.
    And in the central area of Sun helium-II, helium-I are found.
    The reaction between (k ) , helium and
    hydrogen go basically on the Sun.
    All the elements of the material substance
    are created from the initial particles (k) and helium.
    ==============.

    How does all the system come to rotary movement ?

    1.
    If gravitation-particles fly to different sides,
    they can not create the initial gravitational mass of planets, stars.
    It means, that any unknown power collects the gravitation
    particles together and gives to them the movement in one direction.
    As a result of this common movement of all gravitation
    particles (k ) in one direction the initial gravitational mass
    of planets and stars is created.
    What power can gather all particles together?
    2.
    Classic physics asserts, that in a Vacuum T=0K the motion
    of particles stops, and the energy of Vacuum is equal to zero.
    The quantum physics asserts, that in a Vacuum T=0K there is
    motion of particles, and the energy of Vacuum is not zero.
    Therefore, let us take some energy area of Vacuum and
    mark it with letter E.
    The mass of this energy area of Vacuum we will
    mark with letter M.
    Then every particle of this area has energy/mass of rest:
    E/M= c^2, ( E=Mc^2, M=Ec^2.)
    3.
    As this particle is in the state of rest condition
    it impulse is equal to zero ( h=0).
    4.
    But this particle can change its state of rest condition.
    If the particle has impulse of Goudsmit -Uhlenbeck h= h/2pi,
    its energy will be: E=hw
    The thermal balance of Vacuum will be disturbed.
    The actively rotating particle with energy E=hw gibes the
    movement of surrounding passive particles R/N=k and
    a gravitational field begins to create.
    And the source of a gravitational field is an active electron E=hw.
    The remaining particles R/N=k are passive participants
    (victims) of the creating gravitation field.
    ============.
    The stars are formed by the scheme:
    e- --k --He II-- He I --rotating He--thermonuclear reaction – р…
    The Second law of thermodynamics doesn’t forbid this process.
    ======================.
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    Re: The Genesis.

    This work was inspired some time ago when I learned that the Pope and the Vatican supported the Big Bang theory. The Pope even claimed that this scientific theory was "Proof of God and a validation of Genesis.", yet no biblical explanation for this was provided by the Pope or the Vatican. Latter Popes had less praise, but most said it was it was "in harmony" or "did not contradict" Genesis. Here is my attempt to find what the Pope's may have seen in the scriptures.

    For this topic I will use NIV Interlinear Hebrew/English Old Testament by Kohlenberger, rather than any of my own translations. This way I can not be accused of twisting the Holy Scriptures as much.

    Because this text is a transliteration rather than a translation, the word groupings and sentence structure are as they would be in Hebrew and not English, but most people should be able to follow it.

    Gen. 1:1
    In beginning - he created - God - the heavens - and - the Earth.

    Like most stories, this is an opening line that sums up what is too follow. Yet there is a little more to it than just that. This line speaks of God, the next line speaks of "and spirit of" "God" Thus I believe that this line refers to God creating "and spirit of" and "the earth" spoken about in the next line. My reasoning will become clear as we proceed.

    Gen. 1:2
    Now the Earth - she was - formless - and empty - and darkness - over - surface of - deep - and spirit of - God - hovering - over - surface of.

    We take the meaning of the word Earth to mean a planet orbiting the Sun. Is this what the ancients had for the meaning of Earth? Not quite. We know this word does not mean "land" or "the dry land" as these words are used shortly in Genesis. The earth is also a creative force. In the Hebrew text, the earth is clearly female. The Earth is also referred to in other places in the bible and Hebrew tradition as "The Bride of God". So how are we to interpret the meaning of 'the earth' in the original text? I have a scientific answer that fits all of these,"the earth" can be taken as Terra Firma or solid matter. Scientifically it would mean MATTER. All matter.

    Now Gen. 1:2 says that "the earth - she was - formless - and empty - and darkness - over - surface of - deep". What is formless matter? Einstein showed us in his famous equation E = MC^2, Matter without form is Energy. In space, matter tends to form spheres, round balls, in space. Energy is no different, it would form a ball of energy. Just a ball of energy, matter (atoms) do not yet exist, so there is no light only darkness throughout the depths of this sphere of energy.
    The clearly female aspect to "the earth" is also important. It clears up an important debate latter in Genesis with the creation of Adam and Eve and the use of Elohim, implying more than one God, but I am getting ahead of myself.

    Now for the second half of Gen. 1:2 "and spirit of - God - hovering - over - surface of" A sphere of energy in space, can be described as "hovering" in space. But from the viewpoint of the sphere, space is "Hovering over surface of" the sphere.

    Equating "the spirit of - God" with infinite space is not as great of a leap as it first looks. Infinity implies infinite power, infinite possibilities, infinities of time. In short all that ever was or could be is contained within infinity. The Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, all rolled up into one. The "I AM" Yet this is only "the spirit of God" and not the totality of God. If we can not fully comprehend infinite space, "the spirit of God", how much harder to grasp the fullness of God which is all things in one.

    "Hovering" is an interesting word choice at this point. Scientifically, hovering is a great way to describe harmonic oscillations. Now this is not about scientific theory per say, so I will not go into great detail as to how harmonic oscillations on a quantum scale can produce scalar waves and the equations showing how such scalar waves create matter. But that one poetic word perfectly describes a complex scientific theory on the creation of matter from energy. "Hovering" also has sexual overtones. A man 'hovers' around a female he is interested in. In male dominate sexual positions, the man can be described as 'hovering over surface of' the female. This passage does not refer to intercourse, but does have sexual overtones between "the spirit of - God" and his bride "the earth", and also describes the scientific method by which matter can be formed from energy. Which leads us too.

    The First Virgin Birth myth in the Bible, at the very start. Energy give birth to Matter. The first particles.

    Gen. 1:3 And he said - God - let him be light - and he was - light
    The first atoms form from these particles of matter, and as a result, the universe is filled with light.

    Gen. 1:4 And he saw - God - the light - that - good - and he separated - God - between the light - and between - the darkness
    With the creation of matter, the energy density within the ball of energy is no longer the same at all locations. It takes a lot of energy to make a small particle of matter. So every time a particle of matter is created, a void in the energy density around it is also created. These atoms were alone, scattered randomly throughout our finite universe.

    Gen. 1:5 And he called - God - to the light - day - and to the darkness - he called - night - and he was - evening - and he was morning - day - first
    We look at the sun in the sky, the world filled with light, we call this day. At night we gaze up into the darkness of space in wonder. So the use of the words day and night is not surprising. The concept of time is another matter.
    There are no planets yet, not even the first suns yet, so a day can not mean the spinning of the earth. So what is a day to God. A being of infinite time. "A thousand years is but a blink in the eye of God" is an important quote to remember. It only takes us a couple of thousandths of a second to blink, so how many times can you blink in a day? Multiply that times 1000 years. We have no concept of time as an eternal God would perceive it.

    Gen: 1:6 And he said - God - let him be - expanse - between - the waters - and let him be - separating - between - waters - from the waters
    Gen. 1:7 So he made - God - the expanse - and he separated - between - the waters - which - from under - to the expanse - and between - the waters - which - from above - to the expanse - and he was so
    Gen. 1:8 And he called - God - to the expanse - sky - and he was - evening - and he was - morning - day second
    At the very start we looked at how 'the waters' relate to energy and matter. In these lines we have God organizing our finite universe. Grouping atoms together to make the first suns. Suns creating even more complex matter within their cores. The separation of matter and energy as it is orgainised in ever more complex atoms. Complex atoms from stars are needed to form planets, next on Gods to do list.

    Gen. 1:9 And he said - God - let them be gathered - the waters - from under - the sky - to - place - one - and let her appear - the dry ground - and he was - so
    Gen. 1:10 And he called - God - to the dry ground - land - and to gathering of - the waters - he called - seas - and he saw - God - that - good
    At last, planets. Dry land bordered by seas. And god saw that this was good so he moved on to the next step. Also note that the land is also clearly female. The first 'Mother Earth' archetype? I believe it is meant to show that "the dry land' was the Bride of God, Energy/Matter in another form. Now she is the 'Mother' of life on our planet named after her, the earth.

    Gen. 1:11 to 1:19
    First God has the land "let her produce" offspring. Another "Virgin Birth" perhaps? First simple plants, then trees. Before going farther the seasons, a varying climate, and the basis for our concept of time is established.

    Gen. 1:20 to 1:25
    The first animal life is in the seas. Next listed is birds, some of the last descendants of the great reptiles. Then mammals and insects are listed. Of course we do not know if they considered the order of the list important or not. So debate over this point will continue no doubt.

    The Virgin Birth of Adam and Eve.

    Gen. 1:26 Then he said - God - let us make - man - in image of us - in likeness of us - ...
    The spirit of God and his Bride the earth is why this is in the plural form. Man is both Matter and Spirit, Flesh and Soul, Yin and Yang. It is a 'Virgin Birth" in the same manner that "the dry land" gave birth to many forms of life, or the manner by which "the spirit of God" and "the earth", energy, gave birth to matter. This theme is repeated with the account of Shara, Abram's wife, up to the story of Jesus and his birth.

    I had planned on covering more ground and in greater detail, but this paper has grown overly long.
    I may cover other parts of Genesis in a separate paper at some other time.

    But I do think it shows that a scientific theory does not need to be at odds with the Bible or religion in general.
    Most versions of the Big Bang model, W.S.M. theory, and several others all would fit within the translation above.

    Charles

 

 
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