[mkirkpatrick]

What about some research and discussion about comets, sometimes called
giant snowballs. There has been talk recently that this planet's water may have
come from comets crashing into it. Is there much evidence for this? Anyone got any thoughts on the matter! With the amount of water there is on earth there would have had to be millions of crashes to make this amount!
Maybe some of you TOEquesters out there in cyberspace can shed some light on this question.

kind regards michael.

[david44]

Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick What about some research and discussion about comets,sometimes called giant snowballs,there has been talk recently that this planets water may have come from comets crashing into it,is there much evidence for this?anyone got any thoughts on the matter!With the amount of water there is on earth there would have had to be millions of crashes to make this amount!maybe some of you toequesters out there in cyberspace can shed some light on this question. kind regards michael.

I think H2o is just a simple compound that needs specific temperatures to be created and maintained. Change the temperature too much either way before it is created and then it doesn't get to exist. However, if the temperature is right, H2o is in abundance. H2o has been found on a few satellites in the outer solar system.

cheers David

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[everymansmedium]

Hello Michael:
Relative to what I have read about the distribution of elements in a solar system. The lighter elements are normally to be found in a shell area well beyond any of the normal planets. This shell is a place where comets are formed and also large ice asteroids. From what I have read it should not be the normal result to have large amounts of water in the inner areas of a solar system. My thought is that this might be evidence of planetary engineering. In the case of our solar system the 3 planets that are in a range that has the possibility to support life all have more water than they should have under normal conditions. We may soon discover that the water on the planet mars has been dispersed back into space because of insufficient G force to hold it. The water below the surface there may just indicate that at one time there was much more water than there is now.
How many colonies would a colonizer colonize if a colonizer could colonize a colony?

If we ever get to do this. Our first stop will be in the shell of the star to bring the water to the places that need it.
Planetary Engineering 101
I case you couldn't tell, I was backing the thought that michael indicated.
This could be a very interesting topic. Water in the solar system.
If we ever think of going there we should talk about this first.
John.

[neutralino]

I've moved this here, for now, from the "suggestions" thread in the scientific study forum.

[everymansmedium]

What is known about the outer shell of ice asteroids and the comets that appear to come from this area?

I would be interested in information relative to the effect that a star/sun has on the lighter elements like hydrogen up to and including oxygen. Does the radiation from the sun/star have a greater effect than the pull of gravity on these lighter elements? There is some reason that these lighter elements seem to accumulate in a shell in the outer perimeter of a solar system. What might be the physical principals that cause this phenomena? How strong is this reaction? What percentage of these lighter elements are effected by this action? To answer these questions will shed considerable light on the distribution of water in any solar system.
John

[everymansmedium]

Hello again Michael:
It seems the thoughts and concepts that have the best possibilities for producing useful results, seem to get very little attention. That might not be a product of interest. It is more likely the result of not having much information to add.

I will ask this question another way. If one was to release a tank of hydrogen in space at about 95 million miles from the sun, but not near any other planet. Where would this gas end up. Would it fall into the sun? Would it be repelled still further from the sun by the effects of the radiation from the sun? Is there a solar wind that would effect where this gas would go?


I see this question as one of the most important questions that has been on this site.
Why:
Because we need this information to aid us as we prepare to move into this space.

It also holds the possibility of indicating intelligent intervention to our solar system in the distant past.

The above idea coupled with the thought that any intelligent species evolving in this universe that reaches a point to be able to colonize a planet would not stop at colonizing one planet. It is likely to colonize planets continuously. Also those planets would continue to colonize still further. If you consider this as a general rule through out our universe the chances of a planet having an original beginning as opposed to a beginning from a colonized source is entirely too great to consider any way other than a colonized beginning. Are we going to be the one that has the original beginning, or are we going to find out that we are just one of the majority that are in fact the result of some kind of colonizing attempt.

Maybe the ones with the big bald head and the large dark eyes put the seed here that became mankind.
Just one more variable to consider unless you have a way to eliminate this variable.
John.

PS: about the signature. I do not have the signature “creator of silence” because I like it. It is there because it seems to be true. I would like nothing better than to remove it.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by everymansmedium Hello again Michael: It seems the thoughts and concepts that have the best possibilities for producing useful results, seem to get very little attention. That might not be a product of interest. It is more likely the result of not having much information to add. I will ask this question another way. If one was to release a tank of hydrogen in space at about 95 million miles from the sun, but not near any other planet. Where would this gas end up. Would it fall into the sun? Would it be repelled still further from the sun by the effects of the radiation from the sun? Is there a solar wind that would effect where this gas would go? I see this question as one of the most important questions that has been on this site. Why: Because we need this information to aid us as we prepare to move into this space. It also holds the possibility of indicating intelligent intervention to our solar system in the distant past. The above idea coupled with the thought that any intelligent species evolving in this universe that reaches a point to be able to colonize a planet would not stop at colonizing one planet. It is likely to colonize planets continuously. Also those planets would continue to colonize still further. If you consider this as a general rule through out our universe the chances of a planet having an original beginning as opposed to a beginning from a colonized source is entirely too great to consider any way other than a colonized beginning. Are we going to be the one that has the original beginning, or are we going to find out that we are just one of the majority that are in fact the result of some kind of colonizing attempt. Maybe the ones with the big bald head and the large dark eyes put the seed here that became mankind. Just one more variable to consider unless you have a way to eliminate this variable. John. PS: about the signature. I do not have the signature “creator of silence” because I like it. It is there because it seems to be true. I would like nothing better than to remove it.

Thanks John for your renewed interest in this old thread,you could be right about
the bald headed large eyed brothers!Water is a vital element in informing life,and an
element that seems scarce in the solar sytem,except of course for comets!

regards michael.

[everymansmedium]

Hi Michael:
I have a theory about the creation of a commit. If it is true that water tends to gather in a shell of ice asteroids at the far reaches of our solar system. The creation of a commit might be the result of a meteor from outside of our solar system colliding with one or more of these ice asteroids in its route toward our sun. This would result in the ice asteroid being struck hard enough to dislodge large amount of its ice in the form of small crystals. The ice asteroid itself would be knocked like a pool ball somewhat toward our sun, with the loosened ice crystals in the lead as they were hit first, then all results of the collision end up going toward the sun. This would also account for the elongated elliptical orbits of most commits.

John.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by everymansmedium Hi Michael: I have a theory about the creation of a commit. If it is true that water tends to gather in a shell of ice asteroids at the far reaches of our solar system. The creation of a commit might be the result of a meteor from outside of our solar system colliding with one or more of these ice asteroids in its route toward our sun. This would result in the ice asteroid being struck hard enough to dislodge large amount of its ice in the form of small crystals. The ice asteroid itself would be knocked like a pool ball somewhat toward our sun, with the loosened ice crystals in the lead as they were hit first, then all results of the collision end up going toward the sun. This would also account for the elongated elliptical orbits of most commits. John.

Cheers John,prehaps you could share a little of your theory here?


regards michael.

[everymansmedium]

Hello Michael:
Maybe I should not have used the word theory. I should have used the word hypothesis.
I still firmly believe in the simplicity of things. There is no more to that thought than what I just indicated.
Simply an asteroid struck by a meteor that was traveling toward the sun. This sending a leading tail of ice crystals more directly toward the sun while causing the remaining part of the asteroid to travel somewhat toward the sun with an angular momentum that is indicated by a line through the two centers of mass. Like a pool ball after being hit by the cue. This results with a tail of ice crystals going more toward the sun than the larger mass of the rest of the asteroid. These particles are lighter than the main mass and will take a direction more toward the sun . resulting in what we see as a commit. An ice asteroid with a tail of ice crystals pointing at the sun, in an elongated elliptical orbit around the sun.

That’s all there is. In simplicity there is often truth.
When I look at a commit I can imagine the impact and the results.
The part of this that I can not answer, is why does this shell of ice at the outer reaches of a solar system exist. This I believe is a question that will answer all of the questions relative to water distribution in a solar system. It will be answered by answering the question in my last post. What happens to hydrogen that is free in space about a star/sun and apply the same question to all of the lighter elements up to and including oxygen?

John.