Anthropomorphic Time & Existential Motion

[neutralino]

Would a quantum wave collapse into a particle if no one was around?

Sure. A quantum mechanical observation is not necessarily someone looking at it with their eyes!

[RascalPuff]

To whom it may concern:

Existentially occuring events are not confined to the interior of the parameters of our subjective sensory perceptions or experience, including our ability to observe what occurs inside our optical - 'event' - horizon.


The location of an observer restricts that observer's ability to be aware of what happens beyond their sensory perceptions and/or optical - 'event' - horizon.

Life - and the occurrence of temporal and universal events - goes on, within, and without you.

The synononymity of time and motion is also a related - relativistic - issue.

Best regards,
- RP

[austintorn@aol.com]

The Left Brain—the Scientist, says:
IF THERE IS AN INDEPENDENT
OUTER HARD REALITY
THAT RADIATES
WAVES OF INFORMATION, THEN…

When a tree falls in the forest and there’s
No one around to hear it, does it make
A sound? No, for there is no ear to turn
The sound waves into sound.

Nor is there a smell, for there is no nose
For the odorous molecules to attach to.
Nor has it any color, for there is
No retina to decode the light frequencies.

What does it look like, then? It doesn’t look
Like anything, for there is no brain to
Put it all together by detecting
Form, color, texture, size, taste, smell or vision.

If the universe is out there as seen,
Then the tree in the forest, whether seen or not,
Is, at heart, an interference pattern
Brought to life only when we tune it in.

The brain interprets reality and puts
A face on the waves of sound, light, color, touch,
And a sense on molecules’ smell and taste.
Consciousness is the brain’s perception of itself.


The Right Brain—the Mystic, says:
IF NOT, THEN A DEPENDENT REALITY
IS STILL OUT THERE,
FOR CONSCIOUSNESS BROUGHT IT INTO BEING,
AS, IN TURN, PARADOXICALLY,
REALITY BROUGHT MIND/BRAIN INTO BEING…

The Midas-magic of our consciousness,
That quantum alchemist of potential,
Creates the Real from the Possible, for
Everything it touches turns to matter!

The Universe could only be created
In its own future—through observation
Of mind granting substance to formula—
An eventual single, eternal mind.

Brains, the greatest that matter ever wrought,
With the mind, formed the Cosmos that was sought.
Observation became reality—
The exacting Constants being self-taught.

There never was, nor will be—only now—
All things, interacting—instant know-how,
For mind “matters”, matter ever “minds”; so,
The Universe self-adjusts—it’s the Tao.


Or, alternately, adds the Mystic,
FORGET MATTER ALTOGETHER;
CONSCIOUSNESS IS ALL THERE IS,
MAKING “REALITY” BE AS IN A NIGHT DREAM,
BUT FUNCTIONING
AS IF IT WERE STABLE AND REAL…

Consciousness is irreducible in terms
Of basic entities, so, most likely,
The intrinsic properties underlying
“Physical” dispositions are experiential!

Nature’s made of occasions of experience
Instantiated into consciousness,
Even for electrons and lower life forms,
’Though worms sense but a smudge of reality.

Being is to doing as ground is to figure
As subject is to object, as essence is to existence,
As Awareness-Consciousness is to mind-brain,
As the ultimate simplicity is to the composite.

(and maybe)

’I’ am not this body—or even this thought,
For ’I’ am a part of space-time itself,
Although ’I’ require a mind/brain to look—
For this, indeed, produces what ’I’ look at.

Since the ’I’ of awareness, that can but
Observe the mind’s contents, is not a self,
It’s a universal subject, a soul
Of unperceptive immortality.

[RascalPuff]

Dear Austin:

Kudos to you as usual.

On the other hand...

I've stated my rendition of the issue at hand.

Most universal events are far beyond corporeal facilities or recipients.

Be they critters or people.

Most felled trees, for example, are neither seen nor heard.
Yet the event of the falling and fallen - and the rarefications and percussions of the physical atmosphere (the signal) - is permanently projected on the universe.

Yet still, they fell and will continue to fall, just as the earth moved, before Galileo or anyone else recognised and acknowledged it. Just as the universal expansion prevailed before it was so recognised.

The Inquisition's perception and petition for a geocentric solar system did not make it so.

(There seems a bustle in the hedgerow of 'Consciousness'? It appears these issues will continue to revisit ongoing posts and threads within this forum... The better for us all, then.)

Best regards,
- RP

[austintorn@aol.com]

Anybody,

Can an observation summon a particle into being somewhere from its previous quantum wave state of everywhere and nowhere?

[N0B0DY]

I think it depends upon our interpretations of probabilism, as well as evolution. If you're familiar with combinatorics and chaos theory, and we apply them to the tree scenario, there can only be a certain number of trees that fall because the strict parameters set by subconscious functioning are based upon predetermined random events that must accord with all other observable events - similar to the hypothesized butterfly effect - which would in turn be the basis for trees not uprooting and flying away.

In simple terms, without reinventing the wheel, we can further modern researchers' attempt at linking cosmology and consciousness by replacing an a-priori past with a different functioning of the present - using the wheel for a different purpose - that grants the brain the capacity to create the shared timeframe and framework observed in nature. Its persistence of existence would then be based upon the probability of the observable universe being recreated incrementally, but not as an exact replica in order to serve as the basis for mutation/evolution.

We then have brains making the branes instead of the other way round, and the brains being the result of one finite probability set out of an infinite number of possibilities. And this way the problem of a past expanding into an absolute void is eradicated because there is no such time as the past, but there will probably always be trees. Everything else is theoretically made up.

[DoYouKnow]

I tend to think of time as a medium for space.