[SinJin]

Originally Posted by baudrunner

Something from nothing: Why not? It happens. That is all. And here it is. Never mind time or physical laws that constrain the possibility, because they don't exist before it happens. It just happens. We should just leave it at that and take it from there.

Something that always was: Illogical. Impossible. Where did it come from? Everything comes from something. The evidence is before us in the constant cycle of birth and rebirth. Always we see things beginning.

These two statements seem to contradict eachother. Something from nothing you are willing to accept. You say it's just something that happens and we should leave it at that. But something always being you say is impossible. Why can't that also be something that just happens, that we should accept? Both scerios seem improbable based on human experience, so I think if one is acceptable then they both need to be.

[HappytheStripper]

It seems illogical to some that nothing has something to offer everything however, maybe its true. The way my mom taught me (E + R = 0) which means Event + Reaction = Outcome" And an event can unfold as seemingly nothing until a reactive force comes along making it something or everything. Later on in my late teens she taught me (a + o = 0 ) which means Everything and Nothing. I questioned the Nothing part and she broke it down into 2 seperate words "No and Thing" haha I think at that time her branches of discussion bored me. And that she wasnt telling me "no-thing" I needed to know. She then said "well isnt that something then because I bet years down the track you will remember that "no-thing" and she was right." Here I am. She then told me about positives and negatives or matter and anti - matter. I learned later in life numerically -1 and +1 are counter-balances and what gives existence of anything stability.

I remember giving an old boyfriend a present several years ago ... not long after I had discovered the "something from nothing" principle. The present was a small box maybe 3cm square. I then wrote on a tiny piece of paper "some" and on the other side of the paper I wrote "thing". I then put this paper into the box.

He opened it up and I saw the light on his face as he shook the box, and for a split second he was happy. That is until he opened the box, pulled out the piece of paper and then he just became confused... and said " just as ya think there is nothing out comes a piece of paper ... isnt that something" then he turned around and asked "why?"

Because I could haha thats why!

[michellemfry]

I thought the gift was unusually insightful, and maybe he wasn't that deep of an individual. Every year an empty box lies under the Christmas Tree with a note saying how life is about filling an empty box and that it is a gift to do so. The box is a nice little boyfriend test and you should use it often.

[michellemfry]

"The most dramatic evidence of understanding is seeing significance in nothing. This is the point of experimental controls, and a great deal comes from nothing in null experiments. Only when the situation is understood conceptually is it possible to appreciate nothing. So "seeing nothing" is a strong sign of understanding."-Richard Gregory from Science through Play

[michellemfry]

We, who begin with nothing, end up with everything.

[zeroca]

Originally Posted by michellemfry

We, who begin with nothing, end up with everything.

And then, we, who proceed with everything, end up with nothing again...

[michellemfry]

That is coming full circle, yes. It is essential to a complete everything.

[michellemfry]

A circle and a loop have much in common.

[michellemfry]

Anybody who knows all about nothing knows everything.-physicist Leonard Susskind

You can't change nothing by definition because nothing you do to it would make a difference. This immutability makes nothing the most fundamental stuff in the universe.-from a Hole in the Universe

Nothing, by definition, is undetectable. You can only prove it exists by it's absence. With every sentence you read, you are actually reading the empty spaces between one word and the next. Iinviteyoutoreadanewwaythatsavespaperandshortenspr intertimes. You are so used to the spaces being there. The nothings, like states of lowest possible energies, provide an undetectable border around higher energy states.

[baudrunner]

Nothing is not something that you can walk around in, wave your hand through, or poke with a stick.