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photon accelerator? - 04-10-2008, 02:05 PM

Particle accelerators have been around since the first working cyclotron became online in 1931 constructed by Ernest Orlando Lawrence (1901-58 ) In 1939, he received the Nobel Prize for physics justly for this invention. 77 years later, there are now both linear and cyclic particle accelerators: see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accelerators_in_particle_physics. All these require a complex network of auxiliary devices and connections as well as constant human intervention and monitoring to keep them functional. By hindsight, these are regrettably expensive machines affordable only for wealthy nations with excess positive GNPs. For this reason, among the biggest such as LHC at CERN, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider, is really an international consortium machine by the joint products and services of many rich nations who are interested in basic research with minimal economic returns but maximal scientific advancement benefits.

On the other hand, a photon accelerator would simply require a bundle of optical fibers and once properly installed only needed little maintenance. Furthermore, a complex network of auxiliary connections is not necessary unless specified by crucial diagnostic embellishments. However, the quadrillion dollars question can be stated: Since photons are already moving at light speed could solely internal reflection be sufficient to amplify their group bundle energy without initiating LASER population inversion?


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Re: photon accelerator? - 04-10-2008, 02:13 PM

By internal reflection do you mean mirrors?

Also I believe I read or saw on TV that the accelerators would have to be hundreds of miles long to get really good information. Much larger than the Texas one that got scraped. Which one is larger LHC or CERN?
  
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Re: photon accelerator? - 04-10-2008, 02:20 PM

CERN is the organization that owns LHC. http://laser.physics.sunysb.edu/~wis...ea/report.html this link gives an idea about internal reflection.


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Re: photon accelerator? - 04-10-2008, 02:24 PM

Well they say diamonds are forever. I'm sure DeBeers wouldn't mind giving up some for the sake of science.
Maybe we could apply for a research grant?
  
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Re: photon accelerator? - 04-10-2008, 02:35 PM

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Just too bad that no diamonds can be made into fiber bundles. Who should we apply this grant to? Any idea?


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Re: photon accelerator? - 04-10-2008, 02:38 PM

Maybe the Ford Foundation, I understand they have a better idea and are filthy rich to boot.
  
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Re: photon accelerator? - 04-10-2008, 02:51 PM

Ford Foundation? Looks like car manufacturers? In any case, they probably only interested only in making profits?


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Re: photon accelerator? - 04-10-2008, 02:56 PM

well Ford Motor Co. surely is interested in profits, but the Foundation is suppose to give the money away. I think they actually fund a lot of different projects all from Harvard.
  
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Re: photon accelerator? - 04-10-2008, 02:58 PM

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suppose to give the money away
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Re: photon accelerator? - 04-10-2008, 03:04 PM

You bet it is Ford gets a deduction for making a contribution to the Foundation and the family controls the foundation.
  
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