[Dragongod]

well, this seems to be the most important question concerning me. If nothing (the absense of everthing, matter and energy) can exist, can someone plz plz plz plz plz explain to me how. you can say that there is "space" in between particles but that doens't explain to me how its possible for nothing to exist because no one knows what space is and it's in no way proven that space is the absense of matter and energy. If you can prove to me that its possible for nothing to exist i would be much obliged and in your debt.

[Dragongod]

to prove to me that its possible for nothing to exist, you have to explain how matter interacts with it and how the Laws of the Universe incorporate the existance of nothing. Of course here lies the delima because if you show how matter and energy do interact with nothing, you are essentially showing that nothing is in fact something. How would it be possible for matter and energy to interact with nothing (the absense of matter and energy). By explaining how it can you are saying that nothing isn't the absense of matter and energy but actually the same thing. If you can show that matter and energy can interact with nothing (the absense of matter and energy) that would be a miracle

[Guille]

to think about it imagen first a place with things. then you take out matter. then you take out energy. then youu take out other properties. then, for last, yyou take out space removing it. then you have a "nothing".


nothing only principarily interacts with nothing. because it is unstable (Zeroca's theory) it can mantain it self, so it breaks apart, or rips, or whatever you want to call it, and something is formed. this something has a really infinite temperature and preasure, it is the universe, with space, energy, matter, but all are the same now. because the nothing and the something are opposite (lie many things) then, when alone they react creating the other one, and when together, the reacted one starts gowing big into the other one. so the universe is growing in nothing converting it in something. its a sort of osmosis process.

[Omni]

Maybe this will explain what nothing stands for. Imagine you know everything that exists. Then you can fantasise something else. Let's say all there is is a ball and a shoe. Then you fantasise a chair. It doesn't exist. You just fantasise it. The fact that you fantasise it doesn't make it exist. Just the name exists then and the image of it in your brain if you can fabricate one. With nothing you only have the name and not even an image. So that's all what nothing is...a word for "the non-existing".

[Guille]

omni,

nothing is not the word for the non-existing. nothing is the word for the absence. not absece of existing though.

[Omni]

Well, we seem to have a different understanding of the word then. In my view nothing is non-existing, because if it exists then it would be something. If you call space without something in it which we can observe nothing then I, as you know, disagree.

[Guille]

Originally Posted by Omni

Well, we seem to have a different understanding of the word then. In my view nothing is non-existing, because if it exists then it would be something. If you call space without something in it which we can observe nothing then I, as you know, disagree.

I don't call vacuum space nothing. for me nothing has nothing to do with vacuum space. vacuum space is a property or part of something.

the biggest force which created everything is the one of nothing-something from whic something came because of nothing's unstability (already said it a few times) and the basis of everything and so, a TOE shoulf include and speak about something and nothing. if we control that, then we control everything.

again you are coming to the suspicious that for me nothing has properties of something. but no, it doens't. it is like saying he's a religious atheist.

[Omni]

Originally Posted by <<>>

because of nothing's unstability

Ok, your point is clear, but still we disagree, because here you are saying nothing is unstable which is a property and in my view nothing hasn't got any properties. We have a different view on "nothing". That's a good conclusion I guess.

[Guille]

Originally Posted by Omni

Ok, your point is clear, but still we disagree, because here you are saying nothing is unstable which is a property and in my view nothing hasn't got any properties. We have a different view on "nothing". That's a good conclusion I guess.

it is definatelly a good conclusion.

[wisp]

Originally Posted by Dragongod

well, this seems to be the most important question concerning me. If nothing (the absense of everthing, matter and energy) can exist, can someone plz plz plz plz plz explain to me how. you can say that there is "space" in between particles but that doens't explain to me how its possible for nothing to exist because no one knows what space is and it's in no way proven that space is the absense of matter and energy. If you can prove to me that its possible for nothing to exist i would be much obliged and in your debt.

If you think of nothing as being simply nothing, you would end up with a universe in which bits of matter floated around in a space that was empty, or had nothing between the bits of matter. This universe would be like a graveyard of matter, in which no forces could act between separated bits of matter. There would be no gravity, no electric fields, etc. The universe would be dead.

But forces do act through "empty space" and so this space must be full of something - ether. And it is possible for holes to exist in this ether. If a hole of nothingness exists, it would alter the surrounding ether making a spherical pattern with reduced density, at the centre of which is a hole or nothing. This spherical pattern of reduced density ether would be called a fundamental particle. So our perception of the universe is completely reversed – like a photographic negative of reality, matter is empty and "empty space" is full of ether.