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    Re: Einstein’s return to ether is relativity’s crisis while rising of quantum mechani

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    What is “beyond average discussion policy” mean?
    Mass and energy are both but different manifestations of the same thing - a somewhat unfamiliar conception for the average mind. A Einstein

    And the differences between energy forces in the average mind, are nothing but manifistations as well, much like Santa Claus and his flying deer.
    To unite energy is as easy as understanding: nature's energy without man and his fistations, is all truly the same.
    Mathematically the equation is simply this: =
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    Re: Einstein’s return to ether is relativity’s crisis while rising of quantum mechani

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    Dear LeoK,


    I have not seen anything in Wikipedia which tell something like you said!
    Hi, Nimit

    SR is light in common.
    GR is gravity in common.

    This is my answer on this issue. If not a final answer then a physical answer. And this is physics we are discussing here. Just do the reading of these theories.


    Quote Originally Posted by vacuum-mechanics View Post
    What is “beyond average discussion policy” mean?
    Beyond average discussion policy is simply common sense in general. I.e. not mentioning obvious things.


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    I have never herd about it, what I familiar is that photon is electromagnetic radiation!
    Never heard of h, Plank's constant?


    Quote Originally Posted by vacuum-mechanics View Post
    Actually, electromagnetic force is electric force plus magnetic force! I think you are confused with photon (electromagnetic) radiation pressure.
    Radiation is mainly occurred in any medium as air, water or a similar transfer media. Light does however consist both of radiation and the carry of Plank's constant h or more n x h. Light is both, not only radiation.


    Quote Originally Posted by vacuum-mechanics View Post
    Laser is light amplified (high energy) radiation, it is not electromagnetic force, please see Wikipedia!
    See previous answer. Light is both radiation and the carry of specific light force, which normally is said to be electromagnetic force. I can only relate to average scientific nomenclature.


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    Take it easy.

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    Re: Einstein’s return to ether is relativity’s crisis while rising of quantum mechani

    Mediocre minds divide the universe with uncertainty,
    Geniuses unite it with absolute truth.
    Einstein was One of the later,
    And the QMers were definetely not.
    Which are any of you?

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    Re: Einstein’s return to ether is relativity’s crisis while rising of quantum mechani

    Interesting comment on absolute truths.
    It has been the personal observation that unless the questions are asked with objectivity despite and not in spite of the source, absolute truth is never found.
    IMHO
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    Re: Einstein’s return to ether is relativity’s crisis while rising of quantum mechani

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoK View Post

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    Radiation is mainly occurred in any medium as air, water or a similar transfer media. Light does however consist both of radiation and the carry of Plank's constant h or more n x h. Light is both, not only radiation.

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    Hi, Nimit and others

    For to exemplify my last post about Radiation, we are having the good example of how Radiation is present and is used in, for example, any standard Power Supply Unit in our computers.

    Any copper wire with electrons running in it creates Radiation via the single and hence all the electrons running from one polarity to the other. This is used in, for example as mentioned here, any standard PSU in any standard computer.

    In the same manner one could use the photon and hence all the photons running in any glass fibre connection for to use this Radiation. Which any photon does create when its electromagnetic force is transferred in the fibre.

    The Radiation from the photons inside any glass fibre is very weak compared to the electron running in any metal wire.

    But the same thing occurs via the electromagnetic force at the photon as well as at the electron. It's here the magnetic part in electro-magnetic has got its name.

    You can read about this in any standard physics concerning the electron running in any wire. And there is also an SI unit created and named via this Radiation. And it's called Coulomb. Do look it up in Wikipedia or any other site if wanted.

    The Coulomb SI unit is created via electrons creating electro-magnetic force in the space around any wire the electrons are passing.

    This is also how Radiation occurs when the photon physically is running in any path or channel. Light is not Radiation by nature. Travelling light does create Radiation via, and in, the path, because of its built in electro-magnetic force. The Radiation is not the origin of light but a cause of light.

    What's all the fuss really about
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    Re: Einstein’s return to ether is relativity’s crisis while rising of quantum mechani

    Quote Originally Posted by LeoK View Post
    For to exemplify my last post about Radiation, we are having the good example of how Radiation is present and is used in, for example, any standard Power Supply Unit in our computers.

    Any copper wire with electrons running in it creates Radiation via the single and hence all the electrons running from one polarity to the other. This is used in, for example as mentioned here, any standard PSU in any standard computer.

    In the same manner one could use the photon and hence all the photons running in any glass fibre connection for to use this Radiation. Which any photon does create when its electromagnetic force is transferred in the fibre.

    The Radiation from the photons inside any glass fibre is very weak compared to the electron running in any metal wire.

    But the same thing occurs via the electromagnetic force at the photon as well as at the electron. It's here the magnetic part in electro-magnetic has got its name.

    You can read about this in any standard physics concerning the electron running in any wire. And there is also an SI unit created and named via this Radiation. And it's called Coulomb. Do look it up in Wikipedia or any other site if wanted.

    The Coulomb SI unit is created via electrons creating electro-magnetic force in the space around any wire the electrons are passing.

    This is also how Radiation occurs when the photon physically is running in any path or channel. Light is not Radiation by nature. Travelling light does create Radiation via, and in, the path, because of its built in electro-magnetic force. The Radiation is not the origin of light but a cause of light.
    Dear LeoK,

    It seems that you are confusing between electromagnetic force and electromotive force! The electric current (flow of electrons) was driven by electromotive force from power source, while electromagnetic force is (as I said before) electric (or Coulomb) force plus magnetic force.

    Light or photons traveling (propagating) in fiber optic cable and have NO radiation (this is its advantage over the flowing of electrons in metal wire). And the photons were emitted from light source, by radiation process!

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    Re: Einstein’s return to ether is relativity’s crisis while rising of quantum mechani

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    Dear LeoK,

    It seems that you are confusing between electromagnetic force and electromotive force! The electric current (flow of electrons) was driven by electromotive force from power source, while electromagnetic force is (as I said before) electric (or Coulomb) force plus magnetic force.

    Light or photons traveling (propagating) in fiber optic cable and have NO radiation (this is its advantage over the flowing of electrons in metal wire). And the photons were emitted from light source, by radiation process!

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    Still dividing energy boys?

    Which of the energies that you claim to know with absolute understanding or certainty was Einstein refering too in his equation
    e = mc2?

    Let me help:

    e = e no matter the differences you incorrectly think you know or see.
    And in that equation is the solution to all of our future energy needs, and so much more.
    UFT is simply:

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    Re: Einstein’s return to ether is relativity’s crisis while rising of quantum mechani

    LeoK wrote earlier:
    "In the same manner one could use the photon and hence all the photons running in any glass fibre connection for to use this Radiation. Which any photon does create when its electromagnetic force is transferred in the fibre.

    The Radiation from the photons inside any glass fibre is very weak compared to the electron running in any metal wire."
    End cite LeoK



    Quote Originally Posted by vacuum-mechanics View Post

    Dear LeoK,


    It seems that you are confusing between electromagnetic force and electromotive force! The electric current (flow of electrons) was driven by electromotive force from power source, while electromagnetic force is (as I said before) electric (or Coulomb) force plus magnetic force.

    Light or photons traveling (propagating) in fiber optic cable and have NO radiation (this is its advantage over the flowing of electrons in metal wire). And the photons were emitted from light source, by radiation process!

    Sincerely,
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    Hi, Nimit and others

    I don't know about electromotive force, but anyhow...

    Concerning about light in any glass fiber holding NO radiation I have already agreed on this. When I did state that the radiation from light in any glass fibre is "very weak" compared to the radiation of the electron in any metal wire.

    The radiation is there in the glass fibre but it is, if I have to refine my previous statement, "extreme weak" and in any practical sense can be seen as NULL radiation.

    However, my thesis about that light has any, although extreme small, radiation in any glass fibre is devastating for the idea and technique of Quantum cryptography. Which is built on the premise of NO radiation from, for example, covert data in such designed glass fibre communication.

    The technique of Quantum cryptography is blown if the glass fibre, or such communication, with its data of light can be detected by its radiation.

    But, as mentioned, the technique of today can not trace any radiation from glass fibre or any other light transmitted data.

    But maybe tomorrow...

    What's all the fuss really about
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    Re: Einstein’s return to ether is relativity’s crisis while rising of quantum mechani

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    I don't know about electromotive force, but anyhow...

    Dear LeoK,

    In principle, you should, electromotive force is a basic concept in electricity and magnetism subject. To work with advance electromagnetic field subject, firmed basic concept was need, otherwise some confusion would occur and leading to wrong thinking!

    Concerning about light in any glass fiber holding NO radiation I have already agreed on this. When I did state that the radiation from light in any glass fibre is "very weak" compared to the radiation of the electron in any metal wire.

    Talking about flowing of current (electrons) in a conductor wire, we have to be careful that only alternating current can generate radiation!

    The radiation is there in the glass fibre but it is, if I have to refine my previous statement, "extreme weak" and in any practical sense can be seen as NULL radiation.

    Light itself is a kind of radiation, and it cannot leak to the outside fiber optic cable because it was totally reflected back at the outer layer of the cable!


    However, my thesis about that light has any, although extreme small, radiation in any glass fibre is devastating for the idea and technique of Quantum cryptography. Which is built on the premise of NO radiation from, for example, covert data in such designed glass fibre communication.

    The technique of Quantum cryptography is blown if the glass fibre, or such communication, with its data of light can be detected by its radiation.

    But, as mentioned, the technique of today can not trace any radiation from glass fibre or any other light transmitted data.

    I am not interest in quantum cryptography, so no comment!

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    Re: Einstein’s return to ether is relativity’s crisis while rising of quantum mechani

    Quote Originally Posted by vacuum-mechanics View Post

    Dear LeoK,


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    I am not interest in quantum cryptography, so no comment!

    Sincerely,
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    Why not interested in Quantum cryptography?

    It's funny..!!

    At least it's funny to theorize about hacking it.

    Step Nr 1:
    Slow down a photon to Zero speed. (The photon has already managed to be slowed down to the speed of a car in laboratory and the photon slowed down to zero is at sight.)

    Step Nr 2:
    Place this zero speed photon in junction to the information carrier photon or photons. For example, at the outward surface of the fibreglass where the information photon(s) are passing.

    Step Nr 3:
    Detect the zero speed photon for any movements.

    Observe, that we are detecting the zero speed photon which practically, and here theoretically further explained, will not interfere with the passing photon. This is crucial for to be able to hack the information transport in stealth. The movement is applied on the former zero velocity photon which gain velocity from zero to the novel velocity. The passing photon however does theoretically lose velocity when the zero speed photon begins to move by the extreme small amount of passing radiation. This velocity transfer does occur because of that Plank's constant is present both at the zero velocity photon and the passing photon.

    It is here also in place to mention that photons running inside any fibreglass normally has about half the speed of light in vacuum. This is normal physical behavior of light or photons passing inside any glass material.

    The velocity loss at the information carrying photon is not possible to detect at the information receiver part. Due to the extreme tiny loss of speed at the information carrier. A velocity loss has occurred at the information carrier, but this is in random view for the receiver. And therefore is not practically or theoretically able to trace to any abnormality. This is practically explained via the fact that the fibreglass in itself has irregularities in the glass path that "naturally" slow down any information carrying photon by random amount due to the random path the information photon is passing.

    Step Nr 4:
    Calculate the amount of the force which brought the former zero speed photon to move by the novel speed at it.

    Step 5:
    This calculation can statistically trace any passage of any photon or photons in the fibreglass via the known amount of the energy at Plank's constant, h.

    Step 6:
    Voilà..!!

    So, the circumstance of the known energy amount at Plank's constant is the death of Quantum cryptography.

    RIP

    I'm so sorry.

    What's all the fuss really about
    LeoK

 

 
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