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    Einstein’s return to ether is relativity’s crisis while rising of quantum mechanics?

    Dear friends,

    In 1920, Einstein had made a quotation as;

    According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation of light, but also no possibility of existence for standard of space and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time intervals in the physical sense.

    This is according to Frank Wilczek (a Nobel Prize winner in physics 2004) recent book - “The Lightness of Being (Mass, Ether, and the Unification of forces)”, in which he has talked about Einstein’s aether as – “Einstein’s relationship with the aether was complex and changed over time “!

    So this seems to be the crisis of Einstein’s relativity? And how mainstream physicists could handle it? In the opposite way, this may be the good new for dissident physicists, isn’t it?

    Now, nearly at the same time, at CERN, an expensive “Large Hadrons Collider” was put in operation for finding Higgs boson. And according to the standard model of particle physics, which is a successful quantum field theory, if the Higgs boson was found, is this means that it is the rising time of quantum mechanics?

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    Re: Einstein’s return to ether is relativity’s crisis while rising of quantum mechani

    Dear friends,

    Now let us consider about the status of the relativity theory when Einstein had changed his idea about the ether, three alternatives is possible.

    First, for mainstream physicists especially for positivisms (which seem to treat Einstein like God?) would like to think that there is nothing change in the conventional relativity!

    Next, for dissident physicists (who seem to think that Einstein is Satan?) would like to think that the conventional relativity has turned to be ether-based relativity!

    For me, it is not the crisis, because I think that the conventional theory of relativity has some philosophical problems such as there is no explanation about the increasing mass, length contraction and time dilation in STR, and empty space-time could be curved in GTR. So when the ether was included in the theory, then the mentioned problems may be able to be solved!

    Accidentally, I have tried to improve the conventional theory of relativity by adding something like (but not the same as) the old ether which I call it as “vacuum medium”. Then what I have got is two scientific papers “Completed Einstein special theory of relativity” and “Completed Einstein general theory of relativity” which now presenting in my website.

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    Thanks QM,without the ether the universe could not function,this "web of life" as it is ofttimes called enables
    actions and reactions to occur anywhere at once,as it
    is ubiquitous by nature.




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    Re: Einstein’s return to ether is relativity’s crisis while rising of quantum mechani

    Quote Originally Posted by mkirkpatrick View Post
    Thanks QM,without the ether the universe could not function,this "web of life" as it is ofttimes called enables
    actions and reactions to occur anywhere at once,as it
    is ubiquitous by nature.

    warm regards michael.
    Dear mkirkpatrick,

    It is nice to talk to you again!

    Up to now, we have to praise Frank Wilczek who dares to ignite ether fire in mainstream physics community. Actually it is a good time and a good thing to do so; otherwise we can not progress to our quest for TOE!

    Once upon a time, during the hot debate about the ether, it was said that “it is the time to stop talking about the existing of the ether because we had wasted our time”. Now, we have to said it again but in the opposite way, “please stop talking about the nonexistence of the ether; we have wasted both of our money and time”!

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    Re: Einstein’s return to ether is relativity’s crisis while rising of quantum mechani

    Quote Originally Posted by vacuum-mechanics View Post
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    Up to now, we have to praise Frank Wilczek who dares to ignite ether fire in mainstream physics community. Actually it is a good time and a good thing to do so; otherwise we can not progress to our quest for TOE!

    Once upon a time, during the hot debate about the ether, it was said that “it is the time to stop talking about the existing of the ether because we had wasted our time”. Now, we have to said it again but in the opposite way, “please stop talking about the nonexistence of the ether; we have wasted both of our money and time”!
    Dear Nimit,

    I completely agree with "please stop talking about the nonexistence of the ether", and cease the practices of denying it illogically.

    May Frank Wilczek triumph on this quest to reinstate ether as an immutable line of thought in the mainstream phsyics. He has my full support on this.

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    Re: Einstein’s return to ether is relativity’s crisis while rising of quantum mechani

    Dear friends,

    Up to now, it is the right time to talk about “the rising time of quantum mechanics?” which was mentioned in the title. Here we will start to question about the expensive “Large Hadrons Collider” at CERN, is this a real success of quantum mechanics?

    For my opinion, it seems that actually this is a final step which is going to the dead end, but why? Before answering the question, let us first consider some more detail about the standard model of particle physics, in which the LHC was used to verify its prediction of the existing of Higgs boson.

    Fist let us summarize what the “standard model” is. Conventionally, the standard model is a relativistic quantum gauge field theory. And nowadays it is a successful “unified theory” which involved the three basic forces i.e. electromagnetic force, weak force and strong force, but does not include gravity!

    By the way, the standard model is a mathematical theory of elementary particles which includes the three fundamental interactions, i.e. electromagnetic (QED), weak, and strong (QCD) interactions into a single formula. But its mathematical structure is quite complicated and arbitrary!

    Now returning to the mentioned Higgs, what is it? Conventionally,Higgs field was postulate to be “matter field” which is existed by pervading in vacuum space; it is something that was arisen from the vacuum! In one sense, the Higgs field plays the role of a new type of vacuum, analogous to the old-fashioned aether, which acts like a continuous background medium and pervades all of space-time.

    Next, how the Higgs boson (particle) was created? Conventionally, Higgs mechanism is the action of spontaneous symmetry breaking of Higgs field,which give mass to all fundamental particles.Technically the mechanism is well understood, but at a physical level its meaning is not yet fully grasped in particle physics!

    In short conclusion, it may say that Higgs boson is condensed Higgs field which was arisen in the high energy collision! But the creation process is not so clear as mentioned early, so the follow question arise; is there any other way for explaining the Higgs mechanism which gives us a better view?

    Finally, we will consider that if the Higgs boson was found by the LHC then can we conclude that it is the successful of quantum mechanics theory (as mentioned in the title)? In the next pose we will answer it, please keep following!

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    Re: Einstein’s return to ether is relativity’s crisis while rising of quantum mechani

    Why the random bold words?

    Why would you DARE call the LHC expensive?

    Americans spend more on DORITO CORN CHIPS each year than we have on the LHC.


    So much wrong here, the idea of an aether theory is that it is something which pervades space but is not actually space itself.

    The Higgs IS a return to that sort of model in a sense, Relativity is NOT.

    If you claim this, you do not understand what you are talking about, Einstein stated clearly that the idea of an aether which is distinct from spacetime can no longer survive simple experiments. This does not mean he was some half-brained aetheryte, or that he was secretly endorsing the idea. When he was asked a very loaded question regarding the aether he attempted to give as scientific an answer as he could.

    Scientists do not like to say when something is absolutely true, we know better, we can only say when something is absolutely false.

    The idea that there is an unseen substance pervading the Universe which makes gravity happen, yet is NOT spacetime, is absolutely false.
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    Re: Einstein’s return to ether is relativity’s crisis while rising of quantum mechani

    Quote Originally Posted by Max™ View Post
    Why the random bold words?
    Dear Max,

    It is not randomly bolded, but with two simple reasons! The first one is that it is one way to make it more attractive (instead of felt boring) in reading what which is quite a hard and complicate subject. It is something like in many modern physics books in which the authors usually adding with some funny cartoons pictures to make it felt more comfortable, isn’t it? And for the second reason, it is more simple; just to stress the bold words!

    Why would you DARE call the LHC expensive?
    We do not need to be daring for commenting something which we think that it should be, but only with the condition that we must have some supported reasons! Indeed, one person idea is no need to be the same as the other; what we have to do is detail discussion and seeing whose reason is better, is it?

    Americans spend more on DORITO CORN CHIPS each year than we have on the LHC.
    What is it, how much it cost? Would you please give more detail for consideration?

    So much wrong here, the idea of an aether theory is that it is something which pervades space but is not actually space itself.

    The Higgs IS a return to that sort of model in a sense, Relativity is NOT.
    ??? Sorry, I can not grasp your point, would you please explain in more detail?

    If you claim this, you do not understand what you are talking about,.
    Please give more specific point!

    Einstein stated clearly that the idea of an aether which is distinct from spacetime can no longer survive simple experiments. This does not mean he was some half-brained aetheryte, or that he was secretly endorsing the idea. When he was asked a very loaded question regarding the aether he attempted to give as scientific an answer as he could.
    Would you please show the detail of Einstein words?

    The idea that there is an unseen substance pervading the Universe which makes gravity happen, yet is NOT spacetime, is absolutely false.
    Why it is absolutely false?

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    Re: Einstein’s return to ether is relativity’s crisis while rising of quantum mechani

    Colliding protons will lead only to proton pieces and nothing more. What a waste of time.
    The truth of the universe is the other Way.

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    Re: Einstein’s return to ether is relativity’s crisis while rising of quantum mechani

    Quote Originally Posted by vacuum-mechanics View Post

    – “Einstein’s relationship with the aether was complex and changed over time “!

    So this seems to be the crisis of Einstein’s relativity? And how mainstream physicists could handle it? In the opposite way, this may be the good new for dissident physicists, isn’t it?

    Now, nearly at the same time, at CERN, an expensive “Large Hadrons Collider” was put in operation for finding Higgs boson. And according to the standard model of particle physics, which is a successful quantum field theory, if the Higgs boson was found, is this means that it is the rising time of quantum mechanics?

    Sincerely,
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    Hi, all

    So, Einstein was figuring about an Aether during his career as a physicist. Well, I don't mind about this.

    And the crisis in Relativity physics,.. you have to a bit more specific. Exactly what is critical with Relativity and an Aether?

    You also are mentioning LHC and the hunt for Higgs boson. What I can see here is that they do find it or not. If it is found this time is to my view a 50/50 chance. Not more than that.

    LeoK


 
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