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    Re: Misc. Science Topics

    What is the precursor of 'thought'?

    From where? To what? To When?......or should that be from when?

    Why the age old axiom, "Be careful what you wish for?"

    What possible effect can an unspoken thought have on the state of matter?

    And simply for one's listening , a song........

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxlJL2g4sLY
    So many paths to the same destination,
    would, but I could, experience them all...

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    Re: Misc. Science Topics

    The precursor of thought
    Is you—your aspirations,
    Your memories, your associations,
    Your learnings, your methods,
    Your personality, your direction,
    All that you have become,
    And your present state of being.

    One must take care
    In what one wishes for
    If the consequences
    Have not been considered.

    Unspoken thoughts
    Become a part of the repertoire
    That contributes to future,
    The very purpose of thought.

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    On the Origin of the Physics

    Andreas Albrecht has killed time.

    He was interested in a time
    When the universe was compressed
    Into a space the size of a grapefruit.

    The equations of quantum mechanics
    Became confusing when he tried
    To tell the story in a linear way,
    For all possible futures
    Were described in terms
    Of the probability
    That any one would actually happen.

    However, he realized that
    There was no unambiguous way
    To come up with a tick-tock version,
    So he tried to manipulate the equations
    To isolate time,
    Even having to attempt to undo
    The unification of space and time,
    But still trying to jury-rig
    Some kind of a clock.

    But his models kept falling apart,
    The equations always leading
    To a different kind of universe.

    He called the problem “clock ambiguity”.

    It seemed that the laws
    Determining the history of the universe
    Could never be specified beforehand
    [Indeed, if causeless],
    And that the fundamental physical laws
    Were not fundamental.

    So, then there would be
    No timeless rules
    That could be described by math,
    No ideal realm of forms
    That embody the laws of physics.

    Smolin, too,
    Feels that time as we know it
    May not emerge from
    Some deeper set of laws

    Kauffman offers that
    The laws of the universe
    May have evolved over time,
    Just as those of the biosphere
    In which evolution in biology
    Favors change from
    The simple to the more complex.

    Perhaps certain types of laws
    Came to dominate
    Because they are more successful
    In producing a complex universe.

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    Re: Misc. Science Topics

    The Optimized Mind

    The mind (always the brain)
    Is not just “good enough”,
    Or a “kludge” of a contraption,
    But is one of the most
    Optimal devices we know.

    Nor does it strictly use logic,
    As its Artificial Intelligence
    “Imitators” found out
    When trying simple mathematical models;
    But employs vague and generalized notions.

    Logic can only be “right” or “wrong”,
    But, an emotion, an inseparable part of cognition,
    Cannot be, but we can feel them
    As “good” or “bad”.

    While evolution is a “tinkerer”,
    It was cleverer than
    We might think.

    We neither have a single,
    General purpose learning system
    Nor a myriad of special-purpose systems.

    There are 4-5 core systems
    In human babies and non-human animals
    For representing:
    Objects, actions, number, space,
    And possibly social partners.

    When the language module
    Is added, we can manipulate
    And combine the core systems
    In various ways that lead
    To high level cognition.

    Language and cognition co-evolved jointly,
    Now a marvel of optimality.

    Now, what is it about logic
    That misguided all of the
    Early artificial intelligence research?

    It is that exact matches
    Can almost never be achieved,
    And so our memories
    Must be necessarily vague and uncertain,
    But, they can go from vague to crisp representations.

    Close your eyes and imagine a familiar object.
    It is vague compared to a perception
    Of the object with eyes wide open.

    During perception, “bottom up” signals
    From the visual system
    Interact unconsciously with
    The vague “top down” signals
    Coming from memories.

    Only when perception runs its course
    Does perception become conscious.

    But for this, we would not be able
    To understand anything.

    The mind-brain has had billions of years
    To evolve optimally to solve a wide set
    Of unknown future problems.

    We are the un-kludged.


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    Re: Misc. Science Topics

    Quote Originally Posted by austintorn@aol.com View Post
    Hi racecar. Welcome to the thread where no idea is too large or too small for consideration.

    Smart Pills…

    The DNA guy may be getting, um, old.

    While there are no approved smart pills, there are those taken by college students to stay up all night, plus there is always good nutrition. However, consider cigarettes, which allow the brain to better focus.

    Indeed, why pay good money for a modern concentration camp when the same can be had from smoking for even more money. Do not worry about any disadvantages such as death. Those smokers dying young just didn’t keep it up long enough. Even George Burns could have kept on going smoking cigars, but he quit just before he died.
    Hi, Austin.

    The DNA guy may be old and new, even possibly borrowed and blue...
    Someone recently asked me if I had grown up to be a wordsmith. I found this to be laugh out loud funny, considering I'm not wordly wise...even with the handbook. Being loosely interested in language I looked it up...Nope, not me. But I did find this neat website, http://wordsmith.org/ the magic of words and the Darwinian word game: "One Up- smart always wins." So, I play, for fun....And, you, Austin will always one up me.

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    Re: Misc. Science Topics

    See William Wordsworth.

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    Re: Misc. Science Topics

    The Proton—
    Lightning in a Bottle


    A proton is made of three quarks, true,
    But quarks are so small
    That they only make up
    Two percent or so
    Of the proton’s total mass.

    The quarks travel about
    At near-light speed,
    But they are imprisoned
    In flickering clouds
    Of other particles such
    Other quarks and anti-quarks that
    Materialize briefly and then vanish,
    Plus, above all, gluons,
    Which are massless and evanescent
    But bind the quarks together
    And carry most of the proton’s energy.

    Such, it would be accurate to say
    That protons are made of gluons
    Rather than quarks.

    Experiments have proved
    Wilczek’s descriptions correct.

    Every proton now around
    Congealed from
    A quark-gluon plasma soup
    That existed for a microsecond
    After the Big Bang.

    In QED,
    Which is about interactions
    Of electromagnetic fields,
    A screen made of photons
    And short-lived electron-positron pairs
    Partially cancels the electric fields,
    Although, on the inside,
    The fields get much stronger;

    However, in QCD,
    The opposite happens,
    Called antiscreening—
    The strong force between the quarks
    Gets weaker as the quarks
    Get closer together.

    So the quarks seem to be
    “Asymptotically free”,
    Moving about as if there
    Were no force between them at all

    But this freedom is an illusion,
    For, as the distance between them increases,
    So does the strong force.

    It is that the proton has parts,
    But it cannot be taken apart!

    The proton is mostly glue,
    A kind of a superglue.

    One number remains constant in protons
    As their virtual quarks and anti-quarks
    Come and go in their uncountable swarms:

    Three.

    There are always three more quarks
    Than anti-quarks.

    Why?

    Why is the universe made of matter
    And not anti-matter?


    A slight imbalance between
    Quarks and anti-quarks
    Already existed in the
    Primordial quark-gluon plasma.

    Why?

    Fredrick knows.

    (Prof, where are you?)

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    Re: Misc. Science Topics

    *** Eyes Only ***

    In this thread,
    Which is a kind of microcosm
    Of major ToeQuest threads,
    We have dealt with
    Some real biggies so far,
    With no end in sight,
    Such as subjective awareness,
    The proton, time,
    The origin of the physics,
    Evolution, the optimal mind,
    But they would all pale in comparison
    To explaining what it is that collapses
    The quantum wave function;

    It was formerly thought
    To be consciousness,
    But it isn’t.

    Roger Penrose spoke
    At the U. of H. recently
    And I found out,
    But I don’t know
    If I should reveal it here yet.

    Should I?

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    Re: Misc. Science Topics

    This thread is becoming more like “Scientific Revelations”, as much is clicking into place here.


    Perhaps thought is a river of energy
    That we can dip into — LabelWench


    Empathy Explained,
    And More


    Why do we not eat all the scarce food,
    Feeling the other’s hunger?

    Why are moods contagious?

    Why do we feel the wish to dance
    When we see another doing so?

    Why do I feel your pain
    When you cut your finger?

    Why might I get an itch
    When you scratch yours?

    How are you “out there”
    Felt “in here”?

    How do your acts become mine,
    And my acts become yours?


    Mirror neurons!

    Using very thin electrodes,
    Experimenters measured
    The activity of a single neuron
    Of the premotor cortex
    In a monkey grasping a peanut.

    Amazingly, a bit later,
    An experimenter
    Grasped a peanut—
    And the same
    Monkey neuron activated
    Merely by watching.

    This was the beginning
    Of explaining vicarious feelings—
    The mirroring of others’ behaviors.

    It seems that free will is not so impregnable;
    Each time I witness your movements,
    You permeate my stronghold.

    It extends to sounds, sensations,
    And emotions, as well,
    And so we can feel
    All of those inside of us,
    As if we were in another’s shoes.

    These brain circuits blur the bright line
    Between your experiences and mine.

    Without these mirror neurons
    There could have been no learning;
    But, it goes beyond that
    And onto intuitive altruism.

    In many places in the world,
    People tend to share the wealth.

    Of course, sometimes,
    Our desire for benefits
    Might outweigh our empathy.

    In the military,
    The General is at a distance
    That separates him or her
    From the suffering
    That their armies cause.

    The same for weapons
    That kill at a distance—
    Empathy can then be bypassed
    In the service of efficiency.

    Otherwise, it is
    “Do unto others
    As you would have them do unto you”.

    Each time we see an action,
    Our mirror neurons mimic
    And transform this sight
    Into the motor commands
    Necessary to replicate the action;
    However, a neural gate
    Blocks the immediate output
    Of our motor areas.

    Behind this gate,
    We can covertly share
    The actions of people around us.

    We feel them,
    And they thus become
    A part of our extended self.

    The brain is ethical by design.

    It was advantageous
    To know another’s needs.

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    Re: Misc. Science Topics

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    See William Wordsworth.
    You are fit as a fiddle in Wordsworth fashion.


 

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