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    Mathematically Defined Units of Measure

    I realize there isn't an actual mathematical process currently available that will provide such a system of units, but I need some conceptual views as to the benefits such a system of units would provide to various scientific specialties, such as physics, astronomy, mathematics and engineering.

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    Re: Mathematically Defined Units of Measure

    A unite of measure Frank?
    Lets measure the speed of a passenger on a train.
    But first we will need to know the speed of the train, the track speed as it moves on a revolving planet, the speed the planet is traveling through space, the passenger walking to the dining car in the opposite direction, and the speed of the observer sitting in another train heading the other Way?
    And by the time you get it all measured and all figured out the train will be gone and the speed of the passenger only probable at best.
    So now lets take that passenger speed and call it our absolute unite of measure,
    and go out in the world and measure with it, absolutely everything else.
    We can call this, the science of physics.

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    Re: Mathematically Defined Units of Measure

    What you are describing is no different than what has already been done, you measure something first.

    What I am suggesting is a pure mathematical process that derives a unit of measure, that derives another, and these mathematically derived units become the standard by which things will be measured.

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    Re: Mathematically Defined Units of Measure

    So then lets make the speed of the passenger on the before mentioned moving train, on the moving tracks, on the planet Earth which is moving in multiple directions simultaneously be the standard unit of measure that can be used to measure everything else. So then: how many passenger unites or PUs is the speed of light?

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    Re: Mathematically Defined Units of Measure

    A process has been identified that allows the basic units of measure to be mathematically defined. The concept in the paper below identifies a fundamentally different way to apply mathematics to physical law. It is not known if the concept should be considered an element of the TOE, but the mathematical process provides a correlation between length, time and energy, all referenced to the same mathematical value.

    The July/August 2011 IEEE Potentials contains a paper titled, A Methodology to Define Physical Constants Using Mathematical Constants.

    For those with IEEE membership the paper can be read/downloaded from:

    Methodology - IEEE

    The paper is on the second page of the Contents.

    For those without IEEE membership, the postprint can be read/downloaded from my web page:

    Methodology - postprint

    The units of measure were mutually defined using a known physical law and a geometric relationship; the size of the units did not have to be known ahead of time.

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    Re: Mathematically Defined Units of Measure

    There you have it...it's a process as complex as the units which make up the system...a long forgotten wisdom/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank View Post
    A process has been identified that allows the basic units of measure to be mathematically defined. The concept in the paper below identifies a fundamentally different way to apply mathematics to physical law. It is not known if the concept should be considered an element of the TOE, but the mathematical process provides a correlation between length, time and energy, all referenced to the same mathematical value.

    The July/August 2011 IEEE Potentials contains a paper titled, A Methodology to Define Physical Constants Using Mathematical Constants.

    For those with IEEE membership the paper can be read/downloaded from:

    Methodology - IEEE

    The paper is on the second page of the Contents.

    For those without IEEE membership, the postprint can be read/downloaded from my web page:

    Methodology - postprint

    The units of measure were mutually defined using a known physical law and a geometric relationship; the size of the units did not have to be known ahead of time.


 

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