Amending Immaterial Science

[austintorn@aol.com]

Excellent ...

Strange coincidence, because i had this exact same vision in my thoughts as awoke this very morning.
Then i turn to the forum and read about it in Austin's post.

This is also ever happening in your duplicates and in other people anywhere.

No particle ever leaves the universe.

Ain't nowhere else to go.

[SteveA]

[SIZE=2]If not switching over to electrons, I'm using a laser or something that releases one photon at a time, all done in private or by some automated apparatus.

Ok, we'll assume you have ability to create single photons at will. Notice that this self-reference for time would not be objectively shared unless you used some other common clock ... then again, if you're in some private space, then no-biggy, your actions determine when things occur and there is no conflict and it's all 1 to 1 timing.

If you want to use a laser, then how do you determine that you have one, using information via. photons? Do you reflect a photon off sets of objects and then somehow, using the information provided by these recognize that one of these objects is specifically the laser you were envisoning it to be? If so, what's the unique property of this laser that distinguishes it from other objects that you know it can emit photons?

I'm trying to point out some of the difficulties in avoid preconceptions. The problem with infinities in mathematics and a lot of physics material is that they always begin with assumptions that aren't necessarily correct and the "proofs" often given are, as I mentioned before, simply taking secondary/derived concepts and then reextracting the assumptions put into them.

Notice that if you begin with a mental context of how you're expecting the experiment to proceed and assuming properties of materials that may not be true and if there is no specific common quanta to build things from, then it's all quite arbitrary and subjective. I do assume that the results observed in the twin slit experiment could be described using single quanta (though I don't see how to get from end to end off-hand, but it appears possible), the problem is that the entire thing appears to have to begin with a non-objective mental context and that it can't be something witnessed in common, unless basically everyones sharing everything already - though we don't perceive all truths simultaneously and this leaves "wiggle room" for time (yes, similar to Melanie's comments).

[austintorn@aol.com]

If observer-consciousness summoned everything into reality, then the first conscious mammal would have observed the universe into its real and actual being, making it real from then on; so, since I came later I would know that I am using a valid photon.

(I snuck a look at the phosphor pattern real quick and indeed noted that an interference pattern was building up)

[melanie]

This is also ever happening in your duplicates and in other people anywhere.




Ain't nowhere else to go.

Yes, exactly true Austin, thank goodness you and I are singing from the same hymn sheet, place now.

It's all so clear from here isn't it ...

Oh no, I feel a song coming on...

[austintorn@aol.com]

Yes, Mel, and another exact Mel and Austin are kissing somewhere right now in a galaxy far away.

[SteveA]

No particle ever leaves the universe.

Yes, that's something that appears to be very logical - anything that ever has or ever could alter anything else in time sticks around throughout time and there's a common clock to boot! That's at least the only way it appears possible that things could ever exist in the same space.

Interestingly enough, this also implies that this must be a mutual/voluntary arrangement because one clock can't "force" another clock to stay synchronized

The universe is one whole organism of particle and antiparticle working together.

Apparently so.

The self or the ego evolved simply because it helps the organism survive.

I believe that time and change arise from finite perceptions - the truth is timeless and unchanging. There is no "wiggle room" for change. We don't happen to see the truth - likely because we prefer prettier stuff LOL!

The self then is nothing more than a conceptual thought.

I don't know about that specifically - the existence of self is one of those truths as well. It's that individual uniqueness of each thing that allows the whole to be unbounded in complexity.

Nothing is coming or going as everything is here always right now and only now.

I believe specific moments pass and never return, but that's not particularly important as time itself doesn't matter. The value is in what's done with it All the valuable properties of these experiences arise from individual relationships one possesses between these elements (it might even be that we're all different qualities of experience to each other - yet coordinate together as part of a singular universe).

Btw, loving this forum... you're all waking up to the truth, and it's great to be sharing this truth with you guys.

Yes, look what you (as well as some others) have started!

As always, thanks for pointing out a new direction to explore. It's been a fun and fulfilling ride (in fact I get compliments almost daily from people - it's just an entirely different and beautiful way of seeing life. The beauty is in all the details and intricacies for me - it's like reading a book and just skimming through, compared to reading every sentence and trying to find how the whole story fits together perfectly - the difference is like a little sprinkle compared to a thunderstorm ... and then realizing you love getting wet too!)

[SteveA]

Apparently, something/someone figured out how to get a completely anarchic system operating using unanimous consent to establish common timebases for coordinated motions as subspaces.

... and that happens to be what I'd consider to be idea - it's a universe where the single shared property is anarchy. A tyranny of freedom Yes, if was suppose to be a specific way, that would be it.

Slam dunk across who knows what distance! I'm certain there was no luck involved (So far, most every time I've tried to look for some property I considered to be ideal, it's present in one form or another ... so if I'm here and there's anything that needs fixing, it's my own fault ... and that's of course ideal as well. Apparently, a few others share similar ideals or we wouldn't be here)

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Steve, if you'd just spend more time figuring how photons and electrons actually do see themselves__as per perception, etc.__since everyone knows they absolutely have to, as our vision works__think about that__works__then you could enter the real world__For Once In Your Life...


The Mirror Neuron System Link...

In case someone forgot to inform ya Steve__systems work within systems__Facts__They Work...!!!

Clue__Start from what you absolutely know to be true__and move forward...!!!

Solipsism is not a starting position__It's aleph mythology...

[melanie]

(This post is not necessarily directly about amending immaterial “science”, but, who know, it may play some role later on)

The Implications of Infinity and Eternity

Such as it is very likely that there are other Earth exactly the same as ours.

The All, meaning Totality, as we know, cannot be bounded (or it wouldn’t be ALL), and so its extent must be infinite. Nor can it have a beginning, for then, again, it wouldn’t be the All, and so it must be eternal.

In an infinite eternal place, which I will call the universe, every possible combination of matter and energy (unstructured matter) exists, not only right now (due to infinity), but ever will and did (due to eternity). Since the Earth (and everything known) is a part of “possible”, since it is here, there’s no problem with that use of the word “possible”. It’s only those things that we don’t know are possible that we can’t say for sure. We’ll have to wait for better computers to figure it out, a daunting task since even a state of one change of one atom requires a precursor form and a series of prior events cascading backwards through infinite time and across infinite space.

However, there is still every possible combination of matter and energy; it’s just the resolution that remains unknown. Think of morphing objects; the resolution is like how many intermediate stages there are (possibly infinite, but who knows).

I am calling this notion “supercontinuity”. It says that any object known to us, whether a galaxy, planet, person, or whatever has a prodigious number number of very similar examples in space somewhere varying along every possible parameter.

This supercontinuity must be true by virtue of the universe’s permutational variability. The only question is what is its resolution: How closely can these (separated) instances of any given type of object resemble each other?

For example, even on Earth, between human races the percentage of DNA separation is less than .1 percent (2% between chimps and humans). There is even a web site where we can look up our so-called “doubles”. Identical twins have identical DNA, but differing experiences (so we are not yet at the stage of identicality). To be exactly the same, they would have to have the same molecules and quantum states.

But, heck, there is all of space and all of time; thus, it is very likely, even certain, that at least some intermediate states of a certain resolution exist somewhere at this very moment, and always did and will.

If there is not exactly another Earth, surely there could be one whose only minor difference was one unnoticeable at the atomic level.

So it is that every loved one we have ever lost is alive and well somewhere (as an exact duplicate). Of course, they are separated from us by a humongous distance but are indisputably alive right now; this instant, as they ever were and will be.

Such it is, in a way, that moments are never lost in the infinite eternal universe, for every touchdown pass and first footstep on the moon is still ever happening. Somewhere, dinosaurs roam distant lands just like those of Earth.

The universe contains its own indelible history and future. All moments of every object’s history exist permanently in space, separated by near-infinite distances (if not infinite).

Consider this supercontinuity to be your secular “afterlives”, some of which are identical and some for which the narrative may differ. Either way will do, for any narrative will do, but if it is the same, you wouldn’t remember it.

(Hi Melanie. I think I saw your name reading this thread, or else it was your doppelganger.)

Good post....thank you for putting in lay terms.


Cause and effect pertain only to conceptual separation.
"Original cause" is a fallacy.

The absolute is the space in which the idea of the absolute arises.

The idea of self arises in the mind via Consciousness, this sense of self is none other than consciousness itself,
attempting to look at itself, it is a phantom because consciousness cannot be found.

The self, that we call ourself, (is limited) "The organism" is a limitation. Every concept is.
Is nothing more than a concept in consciousness, a finite body of clumped swirling mnemonic debris forever changing,
appearing and disappearing in that which is infinite unchanging space.

''The Absolute Cannot Be Remembered Because It Cannot Be Forgotten.''

[melanie]

Yes, Mel, and another exact Mel and Austin are kissing somewhere right now in a galaxy far away.