[Brian Jakub]

Mr. nobody

Who put the order in the first system so it could be allocated from one sysytem to the other.

look at http://www.ideacenter.org/contentmgr...ls.php/id/1319

If you dig a channel, the water will follow it.

Brian

[Mr. Nobody]

Originally Posted by Brian Jakub

Mr. nobody

Who put the order in the first system so it could be allocated from one sysytem to the other.

Brian

We did, we are the universe looking in, we are the beginning and the end. We are all there is, conscious or not. We are the matter, the energy, the cosmos, look out into the night sky and see where you came from.

There is no other, there is no intelligence other than you. You are the universe looking in, looking in the mirror, the brain looking at the brain. We are the cells of the cosmic body. All that intelligence is, is autonomy to improve self preservation, evolution's byproduct of the killer ape

[Brian Jakub]

Mr. Nobody,

So the universe is intelligence and we are part of it learning how to make ourself better and evolving along the way. Did this intelligence always exist? Was it alive spiritually before matter evolved into living organisms.

Brian

[Mr. Nobody]

No, the universe possesses intelligence through us. I see it like the matter, all matter conscious or not, dark or light make up the cosmic body. We are cells within that body. This body is reality and the extent of existence as the opposite of non existence that progressed perhaps throught many different stages of evolution into the current cosmos that happened to produce observers. It is/was not the intent of that body to bear the cells that observe from within. Our intelligence is a result of environmental pressures and an attempt to become the best hunter. However, a side effect of ever increasing intelligence was consciousness and self awareness, knowledge of death from early on. This knowledge of death let to religion, religion led to the question of creation and creator (see Joseph Campbell and the Power of Myth) and here we are, talking about creation. Maybe there was/is no creation, matbe there just is energy (matter) in a continous dance with disorder, a fluke in the vastness of non existence.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Brian Jakub

Mr. Nobody,

So the universe is intelligence and we are part of it learning how to make ourself better and evolving along the way. Did this intelligence always exist? Was it alive spiritually before matter evolved into living organisms.

Brian

Yes it most certainly was.that is an affirmative.


regards michael.

[Brian Jakub]

Michael,

Who are what was this first intelligence. Does it have a name, or was it a nameless spiritual intelligence that evolved into a physical existence we can observe in ourselves today?

Brian

[Unreal Zelta]

Dave,
I'm fascinated by your full description of aether and such. You can flawlessly and decisively tell us so many properties of unexplained mediums (aether for instance). My question to you is "How can you know so much about a hypothetical medium? Have you seen it."

Also, your famous quote states, "stop believing and start knowing" I think that's rather repulsive. At this stage on our physics road to a better understanding, all we can do in some areas are believe and assume, for example, how can we know what is reality, time, matter, and in the case aether. We can only use our intuitive minds to heuristically explain them. Believing gives us more options or pathways, but knowing restricts us to only think there are very few pathways. Consequently, we are trapping ourselves in a box. We all tend to think we can understand and explain those qualities of our universe, and subsequently, we think we are the master of something, if we discover it. That's idiotic to my understanding.

So let us dream for a while, break out of the standard models of physics, instead of smashing protons and neutrons, which leads to nowhere. This way we can and will find out and perhaps unify what we know to form the theory of everything.

Best regards

Zelta

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Brian Jakub

Michael,

Who are what was this first intelligence. Does it have a name, or was it a nameless spiritual intelligence that evolved into a physical existence we can observe in ourselves today?

Brian

You know Brian,I have studied the esoteric teachings of the
ancient wisdom for the past forty five years,all of the eastern religions,most
of the"western ones",been involved in meditational practises,including various
forms of Yoga,been involved in psi,and phychic research,and investigation,
you may well ask your self,what sort of answer is this,youdid not ask for my
life story,for Gods sake!Does it have name,this first intelligence,yes it does it
is called George!Is that any clearer?In the ancient wisdom "IT" is called,(THe
one whom naught can be said.)or as a wise old guru said to me many moons
ago,call it what you like,but do not call it late for dinner?
kind regards michael.

[Brian Jakub]

Michael,

You make me smile, thanks. After fortyfive years of searching, maybe you could sum up your findings into something like, read these books and you'll find the answer, or this reiligion is true and here is how science backs it up. Does esoteric mean I'm not part of the inner-circle that is privileged to receive this info. I already knew that His secret name isn't George, it's Henry, so go ahead and give me some more info for God's Sake, or I mean for Henry's Sake.

Brian

[HappytheStripper]

Originally Posted by Brian Jakub

Michael,

Who are what was this first intelligence. Does it have a name, or was it a nameless spiritual intelligence that evolved into a physical existence we can observe in ourselves today?

Brian

Primarily... Intelligence is the level of knowledge contained throughout history.. perceived by you... according to your level of perception and capability of thought.

Did you ever stop to think... your answer is encoded in the sands of time... call it with a grain of salt if you like as these are the fundamental elements of life... which isnt always necessarily apparent... and so deeply embedded it was not for one to see... it was the eye of one 'who' one did seek to see and questioned 'what' one did see it all to be and that 'when' one be seen understanding 'how' it all be one... the knowledge of one and all and 'why'... will answer that all everything is... exists being as one???

Is one Consciousness??? Or darkness??? Whatever it is... it happened to be multiplied within a trillionth of a trillionth of a second and is no longer one in memory.

Death of life is the observation of self as one existing to be all one knows to be. And contained within the minds of many....