[baudrunner]

I am just contributing to this thread based only on Happy the Stripper's post. I haven't read the other ones that contributed to this thread but I am presuming that I get the gist of it. I'm just Happy the Voyeur that HTS is back with us again and contributing of her ample IQ to the site.

So what is intelligence? It is a probability based on ideal conditions for the evolution of life. So what is consciousness is the real question. I believe that I explained as much before but I admit that what I explained doesn't completely answer the question of what it actually is. It's a really hard question.

What would a Universe be without consciousness? Totally meaningless is the answer, in other words - it wouldn't exist. How could the premonition that sparked the creation of it, because of the idea that anything would exist let alone be cognizant of it being so staggeringly awesome and profound, exist of its own accord? Creation must of needs manifest consciousness as a predisposition to that premonition. What else was it that started it after all? If anyone has an answer than please make more sense than I do.

[HappytheStripper]

Originally Posted by dleviwing

Michael;
Until one obtains a clear understanding of the terminology used in science today, a continued confusion will exist between the scientist and those with the casual interest in science. The greatest errors occur with terms like "energy", "mass", "matter", "time", "force", and many others.
Matter is the only entity of the universe. All else are dimensions of measurement needed to describe the various states of form and interactions of matter.
Energy is not an entity of the universe.
Time is not an entity of the universe.
Mass is not an entity of the universe.
Force is not an entity of the universe.
etcetera, etcetera, etcetera,

Don't allow the intellectuals to impress you with what sounds like logical science. String theory and M-Theory have no scientific evidence of anything other than the ability to define mathematically the function of gravity and yet it is proclaimed to be the answer to TOE.

WELCOME TO TOEQUEST;

Quite agreeable... matter is the only ONE.... 'energy' is a bi - product of the 'matter'.... namely the 'verse' be this 'matter'....which is in itself be - ABSOLUTE.... and in multiplication and division... became a 'uni' as such .... with the ability to re produce itself... hence the bi - product.

Now we have a universe... energetically increasing in 'space'... growing... and therefore creating 'time' within this space.... 'amassing' in energy so great... the density built to form a pressure so great... providing enough 'force' to react.... thats why I say its a matter of energy and a mass of mess... we are now trying to unravel... gravity provides us with a direct link to this energy... and therefore matter.

[mkirkpatrick]

As I started this here thread about a year ago now,I thought it time to make
another appearance here.A break down of what matter is!
M Manifested
A Abosolute
T Thought
T Transposed
E Emergent
R Reality.
Matter manifests within the "body" of the universal Aether,and all are and "forever" will be "manifested Ideation",and Within the mind of the One.


kind regards michael.

[dleviwing]

HappytheStripper;
You quote my post and say it's agreeable, yet it seems you did not understand what I meant. Energy is a measurement of the change in the motion state of matter; Not a byproduct of matter. Mass is a measure of the state of motion of matter; Not a byproduct.

I'm assuming you meant byproduct and not bi-product. (bi infers 2).
Bi-By

[Brian Jakub]

Originally Posted by HappytheStripper

Primarily... Intelligence is the level of knowledge contained throughout history.. perceived by you... according to your level of perception and capability of thought.

Did you ever stop to think... your answer is encoded in the sands of time... call it with a grain of salt if you like as these are the fundamental elements of life... which isnt always necessarily apparent... and so deeply embedded it was not for one to see... it was the eye of one 'who' one did seek to see and questioned 'what' one did see it all to be and that 'when' one be seen understanding 'how' it all be one... the knowledge of one and all and 'why'... will answer that all everything is... exists being as one???
....

Strip

Every code I've ever seen encoded had to be encoded by someone. I don't think monkeys could type out a dictionary no matter how much time they have, and they do have some intelligence. The code I see encoded took something smarter than you, me, and more than likely, all of us put together to write. Especially, since we are the code stored in the atoms as the sands of time flowed for so many millenia. A lot of sand has flowed, and a lot has changed, maybe even some of the things we consider laws and constants in physics today. Maybe, even how fast the sand is flowing. I'd be willing to bet that, until we admit that some of these laws and constants aren't, or at least haven't always been constants since it all started, a TOE is unachievable.

Brian

[mkirkpatrick]

The ether is the perfect fluid,in fact it is a perfect,non-particulate fluid,it is
without friction,in fact it is the perfect medium,for conducting rotation!
It is ubiquitous in nature,and everything within the universe is composed of it
So what then does it actually unify?And what is its principle?What does it unify,well it unites all apparent varying expressions of energy divergence on
all atomic and subatomic dimensions,and that all these expressions of force
and energy pressuring are effected and show themselves to be vortexes!
And what is its principle?Its principle, is in effect the Harbinger of all principles,The first law to manifest from the point of origin,the big bang!The
ether was (drawn)from the line extending from that first Point.From this came
the birth of attraction,and repulsion,Ying,and Yang,and the vortex was set at
spin mode!

kind regards michael.

[dleviwing]

Michael;
Read my journal and your ether questions may be answered along with others you may have.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by dleviwing

Michael;
Read my journal and your ether questions may be answered along with others you may have.

Well Dave,I have had a gander(thats english slang for
look,by the way)I am impressed Dave,at the hard and thoughtful work that you have produced.A bit onthe heavy side,not like my light weight esoteric
science stuff?One sentence though seemed to jump out of the screen to me
and that was this-"Maybe if we travel beyond the limits of our universe into the cosmos,we may find the Idealized emptiness of the true void".Well when I
read that sentence,I got in a right two and eight,(that is cockney,London,
rhyming slang,for state!)because it seemed to fit in perfectly with my thread
the Creational wave,in which the void is always on THE other side of the first
wave?I thank you Dave for pointing me in the right direction,as a great Irish
comedian used to say at theend of his show(Dave Allen)may your God go with you!
kind regards michael.

[dleviwing]

Yes Michael; "David Allen At Large". One of my favorites, right along with Benny Hill and Monty Python.

I'm glad I could be of help to you, but the ether is the Gaseous state of fundamental matter. I don't view the event that started our universe as the beginning of existence.

[Mr. Nobody]

I have often wandered if inflation/ big bang could be viewed as the end instead of the beginning. The end of a perfect uniform state, still subject to quantum field jitters that caused one moment in time the beginning of a long struggle. The comsmic struglle to return to perfect uniformity.