illusions are they all in the mind.?

[Unreal Zelta]

I share the same idea. A much better film with the same message is Cronenberg's 'Existenz'.

I haven't seen that film, but it sounds very promising. Need to watch it sometime soon.

Best regards

Zelta

[mkirkpatrick]

What kind of illusions?

Some illusions are shared in society. They are 'cultural illusions', therefore exist in the exterior world and yet are part of the mental world. Some examples are: perfection, infinity, god, morals...

What is the difference then from a real thing,and an illusary thing?The real thing can also
become an illusary thing,but can the illusary thing ever become real?


regards michael.

[Guille]

What is the difference then from a real thing,and an illusary thing?The real thing can also
become an illusary thing,but can the illusary thing ever become real?


regards michael.

That's what philosophy is all about. What is real and what isn't. Which of our concepts match reality and which don't. What is ideal and what is real. I'm not going to create a new system of thought which has another answer which is as true as false (which is what happens to all philosophy). I just want to liberate philosophy from it's present deconstruction movement, and give some sense to the search for sense.

[mkirkpatrick]

That's what philosophy is all about. What is real and what isn't. Which of our concepts match reality and which don't. What is ideal and what is real. I'm not going to create a new system of thought which has another answer which is as true as false (which is what happens to all philosophy). I just want to liberate philosophy from it's present deconstruction movement, and give some sense to the search for sense.

Is it then within our present capabilities possible to create a concept that is accepted
only as real and true?

regards michael.

[Guille]

Is it then within our present capabilities possible to create a concept that is accepted
only as real and true?

regards michael.

The answer is simple and the fundamental point of the problem of knowledge today: No.

[mkirkpatrick]

The answer is simple and the fundamental point of the problem of knowledge today: No.

Giving that mankind is on an ascending arc of evolution,do you consider that this
will always be the case?Or will we eventually reach a peak where an aspect of reality
becomes so transparently real that itwill be accepted by all!

regards michael.

[Guille]

Giving that mankind is on an ascending arc of evolution,do you consider that this
will always be the case?Or will we eventually reach a peak where an aspect of reality
becomes so transparently real that itwill be accepted by all!

regards michael.

I wonder that exact thing many times, but then I think this: that if the world showed it's pure truth we would still be blinded by our own minds. There are too many aspects, to many things... I can't make any sense to it all. Maybe thinking of the world as a totality is the problem. I don't mean we must say that the world is only the physical thing, or that everything is to any level of talk/thought. I mean that maybe all those levels talk not only the different aspects of the same world, but about different worlds totally.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Hi Guille, great to see you contributing again, though I quite dis-agree. The universe is perfectly real. The universe is a perfect real infinity. "god" absolutely doesn't exist. And morals are the directional arrow of our real emotions toward real universal good. If you choose to see and be other, then thats your quantum choice... But, then again, quantum choice is the condition of "being", between mataphysics and science... Thank hell for the quantum uncertainty state___it's hot!

regards,
Lloyd

What kind of illusions?

Some illusions are shared in society. They are 'cultural illusions', therefore exist in the exterior world and yet are part of the mental world. Some examples are: perfection, infinity, god, morals...

[mkirkpatrick]

I wonder that exact thing many times, but then I think this: that if the world showed it's pure truth we would still be blinded by our own minds. There are too many aspects, to many things... I can't make any sense to it all. Maybe thinking of the world as a totality is the problem. I don't mean we must say that the world is only the physical thing, or that everything is to any level of talk/thought. I mean that maybe all those levels talk not only the different aspects of the same world, but about different worlds totally.

You have made some very valid points there my friend,I agree many of us
would still be blinded by our own minds,sad as it may be!

regards michael.