Infinite Reasonless Existence or Finite Existence with Reason

[Mr. Nobody]

It appears that a number of members have considerable difficulty about how to frame reality and how to integrate that view into their search for truth. What I have found is that religious views still shade our comprehensions and expectations for more knowledge and guide us silently and unknowingly, for better of for worse, towards a personal philosophy of understanding.
Therefore, I'd like to focus on only what preference you hold and why? Do you believe in infinite reasonless existence as the opposite of nothingness or a finite existence for a reason. Think about the implications and how this view has colored your outlook on life, existence and the cosmos.

I will start with mine:
I am a firm believer in the Anthropic principle, not as an avoidance for answers to difficult questions, but as the final answer to it all. I believe in eternal existence without reason. A reality as opposed to a non-reality, nothing more and nothing less. We are bound to exist, otherwise there would be no one to talk about existence. A reality without existence is nonsensical and cannot exist, therefore, no beginning nor end ever happened or ever will happen. Energy cannot be created, energy just exists.

[Mr. Nobody]

Just to clarify. I think Inflation and the big bang happened, but I don't think it was the beginning. I venture to say that it just presented a transformation of energies, a reset button for reality. If one believes in a definite beginning to end, then logic tells me to ask for the reason of this creation. As the title explains, limitless existence needs no explaination, it just is. And that feels right to me, non-judgemental existence, reasonless and content.

[mkirkpatrick]

Just to clarify. I think Inflation and the big bang happened, but I don't think it was the beginning. I venture to say that it just presented a transformation of energies, a reset button for reality.
If one beliefes in a definite beginning to end, then logic tells me to ask for the reason of this creation. As the title explains, limitless existence needs no explanation, it just is. And that feels right to me, non judgemental existence, reasonless and content

Great Thread starter Mr Nobody,I agree with you,all is eternal,although there is a recycling process,it seems that Nature is
way ahead of man in the recycling business.There is an outbreathing of mani-
festation-then the inbreathing which leads to obscuration,then the RE-set is
pushed again!


kind regards michael.

[Guille]

Mr. Nobody,
This is a great thread theme. But before giving my opinion, I want to make sure: when you write "infinite reasonless existence" and "finite reasoned existence" do you mean only and explicitly to human existence, or to animal existence or to any thing with a mind, or to anything considered to be alive, or to all matter?

[mkirkpatrick]

The persistence of existence is to me endless,where there is no beginning or ending,self-awareness seems to have a beginning,but Life and existence no.
The finite existence is within the existence of what is relative,and this understanding has been for most of mankind around for centuries,Things seem
to begin and come to an end,then there is the growing awareness of the eternal
and the infinite,where all seems possible and maybe is.As our consciousness
expands and we evolve more,the mind will reveal the truth relative Is.
kind regards michael.

[Mr. Nobody]

All matter, all energy is existence. What we deem life and conscious awareness is only a small part of what is the endurance of all known entities. I consider life just another form of matter, organizing to preserve energy and riding along local entropy differences like sail boats in the wind.

[Guille]

All matter, all energy is existence. What we deem life and conscious awareness is only a small part of what is the endurance of all known entities. I consider life just another form of matter, organizing to preserve energy and riding along local entropy differences like sail boats in the wind.

I agree. But matter itself doesn't have an existential reason, of course, it has a why it's there, because the bb, but not a why in the philosophical manner. While human life does have: to achieve perfection.

[Mr. Nobody]

I specifically used the term finite with existence for a reason. From beginning to end, a cause, a reason, separates finiteness from infinity. Infinity just exists, no cause, no reason is necessary.

[Mr. Nobody]

Matter is just another manifestation of energy, life is another phase of matter, therefore life is a form of energy, an emergent quality of reorganization pursuant to the evolution of the laws of nature. I am thinking very broad here.

[Guille]

I specifically used the term finite with existence for a reason. From beginning to end, a cause, a reason, separates finiteness from infinity. Infinity just exists, no cause, no reason is necessary.

I agree that infinity has no reason. But it doesn't exist.