[Maximus Parthas]

Could GOD be represented through fractal formations?

[W. M.]

Originally Posted by Maximus Parthas Could GOD be represented through fractal formations?

Jeremiah 51:15 (KJV) says: "He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heaven by his understanding."

Fractal formations are natural formations found everywhere, from coastlines to snowflakes, from the edges of leaves to the edges of clouds. prevalent examples can be found in a book titled Fractals: The Patterns of Chaos by John Briggs which focuses on the correlation between computer-generated fractal patterns and many natural occurances. Between the pages of that book lie many photos of natural phenomenae, such as blood vessels branching out, sandstone bubbles, Jupiter's giant eye, and moss on rocks.

Therefore, if God made the Earth, and if nature harbors a seemingly infinite plethora of fractal formation, then they are indeed one form of God's primary representation.

[wisp]

Maximus Parthas

There is evidence that on the large scale, the galaxies in the universe form into fractal patterns. And on the very small scale I believe that fractal patterns form the fundamental particles of nature (matter-fractals).
Contrary to claims that "fractals have no practical use", they are everywhere in nature and understanding them is key to understanding the theory of everything and possibly the nature of God's existence.
It is highly likely that God would choose to exist within the ether of the universe, rather than human type form. God may not even be made of physical matter as we know it, but as an intelligent structure that is part of the universe itself. This may take on the form a super fractal pattern or structure, which could go undetected by us.
I strongly support the existence of the ether, and yet the best efforts of science to detect it have failed. Science has no chance of detecting God if God chooses to exist as an intelligent "fractal" structure in the universe.

[Mike 5]

Originally Posted by Maximus Parthas Could GOD be represented through fractal formations?

Well hello, I seem to have stumbled into a new area, are people friendly here like elsewhere?

Could Fractal Formations be represented through God? Interesting question.

I wonder, is this part of the forum called Intelligent Design, about THE views that reached the British news across the pond, where I stew, to say some judge ruled effectively in his holy opinion that Intelligent Design was religion masquerading as science.

Well I have GOOD NEWS, for everyone! (Gospel means good news, folks, stay with the program, more to come...).

But you won't like it. Not one little bit.

Intelligent Design, meet Human Design. The Human Design System - try an internet search, this will grow and grow. Soon to hit the mainstream as a new celebrity fad and yes I can be on call to explain it - my rates are innocent - as an academic I remain unbiased and that does not come cheap...

Intelligent Design attempts to be what Human Design is, from what I heard. Ask me more? No.

In the Beginning was the Bhan which was all the Matter or all the Energy, I forget which, and the Tugh which was the other one. There were egg and sperm in some realm beyond all that we can know, beyond the stars on the wall, as it were. The the Big Bang was quite a party but a DUALITY and not a singularity. The two "crystals" or potentials, containing all that there is - both finite notice, no infinity - shattered in to many fragments along fractal lines. That is to say the splitting was UMBILICAL - and these connections still re-occur in the way things and people apaprently randomly meet up. But in Human Design, this is mechanics, clockwork in a godless universe, our creators were two beings whose sexual act was an impulse, and this universe is at this time an unborn foetus within some metacosmic womb that will one day be born into a realm so far beyond us, it is perfectly money spinning.

Try an internet search on Human Design and Fractal, I have no idea but I suspect people are already talking about this weird and wonderfully substantial and labyrynthal and expensive esoteric science. So I am here, so I must be on your fractal, hi! As for God, what God? Everything is obviously designed, design was there from the beginning and unfolds, by cosmic design on a cosmic scale. Mechanically. Clockwork. No choice, that is, really, it is all mechanical.

In Human Design, choice is what your mind does, your mind subtitles what you witness and is an "I" machine. So your mind creates "I" did this and "I" chose that, well this "I" is the nearest you can get to any God, but fractal mechanics explain (very intelligent) Design without God. Hard to explain briefly, here, but even the "I" that apparently chooses this or that, is just the scenery of froth that bubbles on, it is the glue that forces you to work your part in the cosmic automaton. "Choice" is the delusion, not God, God never was, in Human Design.

You heard it first here folks, Human Design. Coming to a gossip column near you sooner than you might like. Impress your friends and neighbours, be ahead of the fashion, and have your Human Design reading with a professional consultant (I have to say that or they don't invite me to their parties. Hey. Hold on, They DON'T INVITE ME to their parties). Sod it. Join me in my quest to discredit and dehumbug this totalitarian hogwash no matter how many celebrities and influential people sleepwalk into this sewer of nonsense, warn your children not to look away from your love, your devotion, there can be no truth in such lies...

Can there?

Can there?

hello... I think I may have dialled the wrong number. So sorry.

[Mike 5]

Originally Posted by W. M. Jeremiah 51:15 (KJV) says: "He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heaven by his understanding." Fractal formations are natural formations found everywhere, from coastlines to snowflakes, from the edges of leaves to the edges of clouds. prevalent examples can be found in a book titled Fractals: The Patterns of Chaos by John Briggs which focuses on the correlation between computer-generated fractal patterns and many natural occurances. Between the pages of that book lie many photos of natural phenomenae, such as blood vessels branching out, sandstone bubbles, Jupiter's giant eye, and moss on rocks. Therefore, if God made the Earth, and if nature harbors a seemingly infinite plethora of fractal formation, then they are indeed one form of God's primary representation.

Thanks for the book recommendation, it sounds very complete. The book on fractals seems quite interesting too. Just kidding.

There is a problem, underlying what you say. Do the same rules of logic apply as normal here? Because we have established that mathematics can MECHANICALLY generate the shapes and forms so very similar to nature, surely God is superfluous as an explanation of how the marvellous forms got there. (Now life itself is a separate riddle, consciousness, and the nature of beginning and end, but some of the simpler fractal shapes cited above seem to be ones that a team of graduates at a good university might win a Nobel prize for designing (or Slartibartfast in H2G2)...)

Secondly there is a psychological or cognitive aspect to this. Possibly our brains are hardwired to see particular patterns that flow more easily through the neural networks in our brains, so whatever is really out there, we see similar shapes and designs here and there in places where the co-incidence seems extraordinary and therefore esoteric. However, we cannot rely on human cognition to truly see nor recognise all that is "out there" or "real". Clearly cognition and the mind work by difference and sameness, so the only things we can perceive are actually first "known" because they are similar to something else, or sometimes very "different" to something else. For example when Captain Cook arrived in a remote island, the natives could not see his ship - they apparently scanned the horizon and saw nothing, so maybe the form of the ship entered their cognition and was dismissed - incredible as that seems - as a cloud, or an island. This curious aspect of human cognition has been found over and over in many tests - we are literally blind until we are sort of introduced to anything. Captain Cook's men actually made models in the sand and pointed to the rowing boat and kept going and finally, one by one, then en masse the tribal people were surprised to see this strange thing - they had only tiny boats themselves you see.

The original question here is logically weak. I was teasing to reverse it in my previous post here because look - the question says ASSUME God exists, can we then compare fractals to GOD and what do we conclude...

In my own view FRACTALS are the natural MATHEMATICS of nature, not the maths we learn at school at all. And because fractals are obviously the fabric of nature, just as the tribal shaman saw the fabric of nature and created tribal myths and religion and so on, fractals are just normal.

But perhaps what we call normal mathematics is a window that represents deeply esoteric and almost godlike qualities such as infinity and zero, such as dimensionless points, parallel lines that never touch, and so on. Each of these are ideas that require blind faith, belief, and cannot be seen felt nor heard, mathematics itself is proof that beyond this reality there is more.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by Maximus Parthas Could GOD be represented through fractal formations?

Yes that is an affirmitive.

regards michael.

[harmonygirl]

Mathmatics can generate form of nature, but doesn't the Goddess breathe life into it? I consider fractals to be the very pattern of nature. Some consider nature the Goddess. I do not think this is the limit of her scope.
Mike 5, I'm not sure I understood your previous post. Are you saying fractals are human design?

[Mike 5]

Originally Posted by harmonygirl Mathmatics can generate form of nature, but doesn't the Goddess breathe life into it? I consider fractals to be the very pattern of nature. Some consider nature the Goddess. I do not think this is the limit of her scope. Mike 5, I'm not sure I understood your previous post. Are you saying fractals are human design?

Human Design is a patent system that is annoying me. The founder will not submit to rational debate, and hides away from public discussion whilst claiming what he says is science, and so much of it patently is not. However I have to say, there is enough that seems apparently empirical in Human Design that i am investigating it personally, for both science and nonsense. But ultimately i cannot really calim to know what it is and is not beyond some guy in Ibiza who declares and updates his dogma. And has no grasp of many of the underlying maths of his ideas...

I've been rather pre-occupied with a serious illness in my close family recently, so unfortunately unable to re-read or contribute sensibly for now, I am sorry about that.

But off the top of my head, Fractals are about recursion and clearly life itself is recursive - we all enter this dangling as a conscious meatball on the end of an umbilical cord that once emerged from another womb and back and back. So we ask how, why, and the mathematics of our DNA and our biology is Fractal and the "design" is dialectic.

By Dialectic I mean duality is everywhere we look. Is duality the fabric of consciousness? I do think it appears to be that. Is reality dualistic? We cannot easily peer beyond our minds to know that but given that within our minds all appears dualistic, it seems very very very odd to avoid duality, dialectics, and so on, as the fabric of all that we can know and talk about.

The Conscious Meatball is a concept I recently have on my mind - it reduces the facts of biology to a clarity that is shocking and has a real awakening impact.

Harmony, I think you are spot on. mathematics generates the forms of nature but it is not maths as we know it jim, but the mechanics of DNA and so on, which is dualistic/dialectic. But the Goddess breathes life into it, yes, although some say different words and there is a backstory to every God and Goddess, the breathing of awareness, life and so on, into the meatball and tables chairs rocks sky world, that is the question.

And the answer appears duality - in our minds at least. Not infinity. not zero. not God. But for example Goddess PLUS Mechanics, there are two distinct elements however we label them, it all reduces in human minds to duality.

[harmonygirl]

Mike 5, sorry about the illness in your family, hope everything turns out for the best. I am starting to believe duality is more pervasive than I had originally thought. If live occurs in waves (and I am starting to think it does), what drives the waves of life (or of the ocean for that matter...)? Maybe it is tension between 2 fundamental forces? a readjustment of balance? just a dance? Lots to think about.

[baudrunner]

I've been rather pre-occupied with a serious illness in my close family recently, so unfortunately unable to re-read or contribute sensibly for now, I am sorry about that.

That's alright, you never made a whole lot of sense to a whole lot of people anyway, but dammit we miss you! You have an articulation that is rarely to be found in the average e-bulletin board. Hope everything turns out for the best, it usually does, you know - pull yourself up by the bootstraps so to speak and put your best foot forward. Callous as it may sound, we really are all in life for ourselves you know, our lives are personal and the journey a singular experience. Would that I could have anyone give a damn for me when I am at death's door, not that I really care one way or the other, there's always next time. I appreciate my mother for letting me use her to come into this world, you know. I'll say a little prayer for whoever and maybe something will come about, if not remember, it is their life and they know it.