[Dr. Waldrope]

There is a vast difference between RELIGION and SPIRITUALITY.
Don't step in the dogma poop. It's hard to get off of your shoes.

Religion has been the cause of many if not most wars before the 15th century. (now we fight them for oil and/or political ideology).

Sprituality, on the other hand, can be a binding link between all of us.
A simple idea that we are all connected through spirit can engender intelligent, rational discussion of our superficial differences.

Evolution continues......

yours,
dr.w

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Spirituality = religion = no proof possible = dogma...

regards,

Originally Posted by Dr. Waldrope There is a vast difference between RELIGION and SPIRITUALITY. Don't step in the dogma poop. It's hard to get off of your shoes. Religion has been the cause of many if not most wars before the 15th century. (now we fight them for oil and/or political ideology). Sprituality, on the other hand, can be a binding link between all of us. A simple idea that we are all connected through spirit can engender intelligent, rational discussion of our superficial differences. Evolution continues...... yours, dr.w

[Infinite Consciousness]

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie Spirituality = religion = no proof possible = dogma... regards,

Spirituality = consciousness = consciousness as spirit which is per se positive proof of spirit = conscious spirit as Pure coherent Light freed from its congealed state as matter = established proof !

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by Infinite Consciousness Spirituality = consciousness = consciousness as spirit which is per se positive proof of spirit = conscious spirit as Pure coherent Light freed from its congealed state as matter = established proof !

Yeah, I know___proof of mythology...

[austintorn@aol.com]

While “spiritual” is an overloaded word, having many religious and supernatural connotations, it also means to me to inspire both ourselves and those with whom we interact, to have a sense of meaning and purpose, a sense of self and also that which is larger than self, such as the TOE. The emphasis, though, seems to be on our personal connectedness to others.

Perhaps the fall of communism over much of the world around the same time was a result of such connectedness, or group consciousness.

Although we are all in this world together, many spirits are closed and so our Karma is running over their Dogma in the middle east.

Dogmas may begin to fall as news and the internet reveals to formerly isolated regions, even here in the US, that many strange beliefs exist, most completely arbitrary and are and have been destroying the peace of the world for a long time. It has become THE major issue of our times. At any rate, much of this does seems to be reaching a climax as I see many more such discussions now than, say, many years ago.

[Infinite Consciousness]

Originally Posted by Lloyd Gillespie Yeah, I know___proof of mythology...

The established scientific proof that Coherent Light when congealed becomes energy and matter is scientific proof of conscious spirit it is not myths or stories about conscious spirit it is per se established scientific proof of conscious spirit "Itself."

It is the True Light that Lighteth everyman that cometh into the world ! It is the True Light never seen on land or sea !

Coherent Light doess not exist in nature - it is man-made.

[austintorn@aol.com]

To Infinite Consciousness,

This is what I came up with from what you suggest. Although I can’t say straight out that the Unified Field is Consciousness, I can make the following correlation in that direction:

0. The Unified Field is the source of Nature—of its four fundamental forces. It is the dimensionless potentiality for all that exists, the ground state of space-time and its events. It is the spirit, the consciousness of Nature, the witness, the observer. Our consciousness or spirit is just another manifestation of the “Spirit”.

1. Gravity, or the curvature of space-time, is a part of the creative process of Nature.

2. Electromagnetism (heat, light, electricity, and energy), or the friction of space-time, is another part of the creative process of Nature.

3-4. Weak and strong forces, the condensation of space-time, create matter, is the expression of Nature—that which is created: earth(solid), fire(metabolic), water(liquid), air(gaseous), and space(quantum mechanical).

5. The four fundamental forces are the mind of Nature. Our minds are just another manifestation of the “thinker”.

6. The material universe is the body of Nature. Our bodies are just another manifestation of the “flesh”.

7. “We” are all of the above, both the observer and what is observed—essence and existence.

8. Conscious existence is all that there is, but what an ALL it is, for it EVERYTHING that there is.

[Lloyd Gillespie]

Originally Posted by Infinite Consciousness The established scientific proof that Coherent Light when congealed becomes energy and matter is scientific proof of conscious spirit it is not myths or stories about conscious spirit it is per se established scientific proof of conscious spirit "Itself."

As David also stated___No it's not. Fundamentals are deeper...

regards,