[mkirkpatrick]

I would like to suggest that we have five crisis points in our lives,this is in
keeping with the ideas of esoteric science.the first crisis occurs with the
appropriation of the physical sheath.This takes place between the fourth and
seventh year,when the soul,hitherto overshadowing,takes possession of the
physical vehicle.Crisis two,occurs,during adolescence,wherein the soul approp
riates the astral vehicle.This crisis is not usually recognised by most people
and is only dimly sensed,from its evidenced temporary abnormalities,by the
average psychologist.They do not recognise the cause,but only the effects.
Crisis three,between the twenty-first and twenty-fifth years,wherein the
mind vehicle is appropriated.The person should then begin to respond to
egoic influences,andin the case of the advanced individual he frequently does.Crisis four,between the thirty-fifth and forty-second years,wherein
conscious contact withthe soul is established.the threefold personality then
begins to respond,as a unit to soul impulse.Crisis five,For the remaining years
of life,there should be an increasing strong relationship between the soul and its vehicles,leading to another crisis between the fifty-sixth or thesixty third years.According to that crisis will depend the future usefulness of the person,and whether the ego continues to use the vehicles on into old ageor
whether there is a gradual withdrawal of the indwelling entity.
There are many corresponding cycles of crisis in the life history of any soul
down through the ages,but these five major ones can be traced with clarity
from the standpoint of the higher vision.
kind regards michael

[Guille]

How did you get the spaces of years within which each crisis happens (is it only by your own experience, or also based on other's)?

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by <<<GUILLE>>> How did you get the spaces of years within which each crisis happens (is it only by your own experience, or also based on other's)?

Many thanks for your reply and question,The answer is
both,plus what I have gleaned over the years of study of esoteric science.
My own personal experiences parallel many of those I wrote about in the thread,also some I have been made aware of by friends sharing their own
personal experiences with me.


kind regards michael.

[pagan3142]

From a psycological point of view there are 7 stages.
But they are called states of awareness.
from first sight of mother to being an adult.
only abot 70% of humans really reach real aduldhood,

[baudrunner]

From a psycological point of view there are 7 stages. But they are called states of awareness. from first sight of mother to being an adult. only abot 70% of humans really reach real aduldhood,

"Lest ye be children ye shall not enter the kingdom of heaven"

RE: five stages of growth

I find it interesting and somewhat revealing that Michael has referred to these stages of life, and they are valid interpretations of growth, as crisis. They are but stages, or phases, or milestones, as I see it.

1. The Briss (misappropriation of the 'sheath', I am Catholic but I am interpreting Michael's words and doctoring them as I see fit, so what?)

2. Puberty (okay, this might be a crisis)

3. Appropriation of the mind vehicle.. Marriage, wherein one loses one's mind to another.

4. Needing reading glasses. One then turns inward because outward is somewhat out of focus.

5. Resignation. Might as well keep doing what you're doing until you retire, nothing else happening.

And there you have it. Wow, almost the TOE.

[pagan3142]

Originally Posted by baudrunner "Lest ye be children ye shall not enter the kingdom of heaven" RE: five stages of growth I find it interesting and somewhat revealing that Michael has referred to these stages of life, and they are valid interpretations of growth, as crisis. They are but stages, or phases, or milestones, as I see it. 1. The Briss (misappropriation of the 'sheath', I am Catholic but I am interpreting Michael's words and doctoring them as I see fit, so what?) 2. Puberty (okay, this might be a crisis) 3. Appropriation of the mind vehicle.. Marriage, wherein one loses one's mind to another. 4. Needing reading glasses. One then turns inward because outward is somewhat out of focus. 5. Resignation. Might as well keep doing what you're doing until you retire, nothing else happening. And there you have it. Wow, almost the TOE.

What else is the TOE without a sense of humour to soften the mind.
Not quite what I ment but you seem to have hit the proverbial nail on the head.
Very amusing and a way of looking at it I hadn't considered.

[mkirkpatrick]

Originally Posted by baudrunner "Lest ye be children ye shall not enter the kingdom of heaven" RE: five stages of growth I find it interesting and somewhat revealing that Michael has referred to these stages of life, and they are valid interpretations of growth, as crisis. They are but stages, or phases, or milestones, as I see it. 1. The Briss (misappropriation of the 'sheath', I am Catholic but I am interpreting Michael's words and doctoring them as I see fit, so what?) 2. Puberty (okay, this might be a crisis) 3. Appropriation of the mind vehicle.. Marriage, wherein one loses one's mind to another. 4. Needing reading glasses. One then turns inward because outward is somewhat out of focus. 5. Resignation. Might as well keep doing what you're doing until you retire, nothing else happening. And there you have it. Wow, almost the TOE.

Many thanks Baud
for your somewhat amusing breakdown of my thread starter,bye the way
have you recovered from your recent crisis?
regards michael/

[TinyTree]

I really like your post and the ideas of developmental stages.

However, I feel that there may be a multidimensional component to the axial motion of development. If you examine the "enneagram", there is the concept that one exists along one of 9 different personality types, and then one moves along each personality type (from "sick" to "healthy") and this motion describes the trajectory through one's life.

So I am going to combine your concept, and the enneagram concept, to form a new holistic view of personality development.

There exists a number of different axis of personality motion, and some of these axial motions are unavailable until further development along an orthogonal axis

For instance, jealousy of a potential mate is an unavailable emotion until one has reached the adolescent stage of desire of a mate. So I am going to break this down into stages, and within each stage there will be components of motion.

Stage 1: Formation

This is the stage of embryological development. I will posit that some fetuses fail to "form", fail to "desire to live", and thus self terminate. That is, for some, there is a psychological component in the failure to apprehend the desire to advance, and these fail to do so.

Stage 2: Formation of concept

As a child, the forms and notions of one's interaction with the world, and within one's own body, are defined. For example, specific cells in the brain do not know if they are wired to receive vision, or auditory input, or serve in some other function. These functions are hammered out during the formation of concept. The cells define their form through their interaction with the immediate environment. Along with this, the basic notions of self interaction are largely defined, along with the concept of self.

Play is an integral part of the formation of concept, and without play, there can be no more formation of concept.

The formation of concept stage happens most explicitly through the years of five, and then continue throughout ones life. This includes one's notions of self responsibility, action, and interaction. The formation of concept vanishes on death.

Stage 3: Adversity

Here, the self is defined in adversity to the world, and takes place both through sexual maturation and in psychological conflict with the early notion of self interaction. The introduction of adversity (to oneself) is a form of propellent that initiates desire. Thus, the initiation of adversity is the heart of passion, the passion of conflict and of sexuality.

The role of adversity ends up taking on the broader strokes of adversity against environmentally perceived foes (be it authority, amalgation into a religious group, etc). Thus, the source of adversity is the source of societal problems, civil strife, war, and persecution. It is also the source of passionate love, self sacrifice, and desire.

Stage 4: Integration

It is in this stage of life (early adulthood) wherein one begins forging a concept of self which is part of a whole, and one stops questioning the nature of that role. This is the bedrock of a stable, and static, society. It is society itself- it is the defined roles and interactions which define a society. As such, those in formation, true formation of concept, and adversity are not truly integrated into society, but instead lie outside of it. Children, adolescents, and young idealists swept into the military, reactionary group, or other adversity mind sets are not functional parts of society, but auxilliary parts. They are part of society only insofar as society defines their roles.

Stage 5: Estrangement

For those who reach this stage, they bring forth the earlier parts of development into the level of integration. They seek to reform, to redefine, and to rework themselves. To be reborn. This is the mid life crisis. It is the radical change of a career. It is picking up a new hobby and loving the hobby. It is rejuvination, change, loss, and seeking redemption. It often involves religious quickening.

Stage 6: Passage

The stage of passage is the long slow arc of the elderly- moving slightly through the earlier stages for some, but for most, it consists of reliving them as memory, rather than as active embodiment of action. For those elderly with youth around them, they find it spiritually rewarding- transmitting their knowledge to the next generation, and imparting their wisdom. For those who live alone, it is merely a time of angst and sorrow.

[mkirkpatrick]

Thank you very much,Tiny tree,for your excellent post to this thread,you have made some very valid comments,and some very detailed observations.
I just laid out a basic package,of five points,which I termed crisis points,you
have wonderfully complemented this thread with your post,I salute you Tiny!


kind regards michael.

[harmonygirl]

Michael,
I am curious about the term "crisis" as applied, wouldn't "transition" or "growth" be more appropriate? Use of crisis implies reluctance to change...Also, I am not sure about the years defined, I think the 3rd crisis can manifest way earlier than your early 20s (also your 4th stage seems quite long). I'm not sure of the point you're trying to make but in the research I have done on alchemy, it seems there are also 4 stages of transformation: nigredo, albedo, citrinitas and rubedo. The first stage seems to be purification of earthly influence, or removing identification with the elements of earth and water. The second stage is called the stage of the moon, and is characterised by an inward journey. The third stage, stage of the sun, talks of Divine Intellect and true knowledge and is a move into the mystical realm of enlightenment. The fourth stage incorporates the freedoms gained in the first three and is Pure spirit consciously chosing to live in the Earth as an enlightened being, with soul fully integrated into body. There is fire, death and pyschological implications in each state. Is this kind of what you mean?